Thought of the Day about Mormonism and the Great Apostasy

19 May

Thought of the Day about Mormonism and the Great Apostasy

While putzin’ around on the internet this morning I came across what Mormons think of the Great Apostasy.  Now I’d love to just sit and read their info (seriously), but I find that my days aren’t filled with enough hours to do so.  However, this little clip of information stopped me in my tracks.

When I first read this I thought “oh no, someone’s posted bogus info about the Church because they wouldn’t have said this”…

I was wrong.

I looked in my Gospelink program and sure enough, the Mormon prophet Joseph Fielding Smith did indeed say there’s never been a complete apostasy.  Read here for yourself:

Answers to Gospel Questions 2:45; “Moreover, the Lord, of necessity, has kept authorized servants on the earth bearing the priesthood from the days of Adam to the present time; in fact, there has never been a moment from the beginning that there were not men on the earth holding the Holy Priesthood. (Moses 5:59.) Even in the days of apostasy, and apostasy has occurred several times, the Lord never surrendered this earth and permitted Satan to have complete control. Even when the great apostasy occurred following the death of the Savior’s apostles, our Father in heaven held control and had duly authorized servants on the earth to direct his work and to check, to some extent at least, the ravages and corruption of the evil powers. These servants were not permitted to organize the Church nor to officiate in the ordinances of the gospel, but they did check the advances of evil as far as the Lord deemed it necessary.”

This totally negates what Joseph said in his testimony and refutes the whole premise of what the Church was built upon.

Joseph Smith’s Testimony 1:18-20a; “My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them…”

This scenario reminded me of a comment posted by an active Mormon on a pro-Mormon website about people who have ministries for Mormons.  Here’s part of his conversation and see for yourself how ironic this whole thing is.  This man doesn’t like “anti-Mormon” websites and believes that ministries and websites like this one should just stop what we’re doing.

“I don’t rail against your departure from the church, but I do rail against your refusal to leave the church alone. If you have left because you do not believe the doctrines, then go away. Why continue to rail against something you don’t believe? Leave it. Go away. You’ve made your choice.” http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/joannabrooks/5635/time_for_mormons_to_come_to_terms_with_church_history/?comments=view&cID=25147&pID=25078#c25147

My theory on his comment is that Joseph should’ve done what he’s accusing us of doing!  Because Joseph didn’t agree with what was going on around him, he should’ve just gotten over it.  Right?  We receive a lot of comments like the one listed above from not only Mormons but Christians too.  It perplexes us that people don’t see this correlation.

Secondly and most importantly, the Bible tells us to always be ready with a defense so here we are!  (1 Peter 3:15)  We will continue to raise questions as long as the Mormon Church continues to contradict not only the Bible, but themselves as well.  We are here and ready to do what God has commissioned us to do.

If Joseph had gone on his merry way we’d not be stuck with the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants or the Pearl of Great Price.  We also wouldn’t have to deal with the dozens of offshoots of Mormonism.

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7 Responses to “Thought of the Day about Mormonism and the Great Apostasy”

  1. camdenc May 19, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

    We know that the Holy Spirit is what “checks the advances of evil” in this world. He is the “restrainer” in and through the people that are in the Body of Christ (the church or “the ones that are called out”)

    We know that once the Holy Spirit departs from the earth, all hell is gonna break loose (after the “harpazzo”, the anti-Christ is revealed in the book of Revelation).

    So… if there was a “great apostasy” after the apostles died out, then who was left on earth that was filled with the Holy Spirit? In other words, if you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. The Holy Spirit indwells the believer at that point.

    The “church” organization has never been necessary to keep the Holy Spirit present. It is the individuals that are indwelled that have kept the Holy Spirit present, ever since Pentacost. So the Holy Spirit has been here since Pentacost, what does that have to do with the Mormon gospel? Absolutely nothing. Church denominations exist so that the body of Christ can be fed and that the Kingdom of Christ can be advanced (more people saved).

    True believers have always been here, whether or not (according to Joseph Smith) ” all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof”… It wouldn’t have mattered if (according to Joseph) the Methodists were teaching some man-made doctrines… the individual Christ follower is who makes up “the church”. It is easily verified through the Bible if a certain preacher or denomination is teaching “the commandments of men”.

    I didn’t join any certain denomination after I left the LDS church, I joined the Body of Christ when I gave my heart to Jesus. I chose to attend a particular “church” in my hometown… a place where I could get a steady diet of Biblical nourishment and where I had fellowship with other believers. It also afforded me the opportunity for outreach to the lost souls of the earth.

    • lifeafterministry May 20, 2012 at 4:22 am #

      Amen Camden! We aren’t here to belong to a church, we are here to belong to God. Michelle

    • fred May 20, 2012 at 5:44 pm #

      (camdenc)
      (So… if there was a “great apostasy” after the apostles died out, then who was left on earth that was filled with the Holy Spirit?)

      I do not understand how someone who was LDS could not have learned the answer while studying their religion. The Holy Spirit will visit anyone at any time who needs His help, and it does not rely on the priesthood nor membership in the LDS Church. You can follow any creed you want and still have the Holy Spirit visit you.

      fred

  2. fred May 20, 2012 at 5:10 pm #

    (Secondly and most importantly, the Bible tells us to always be ready with a defense so here we are! (1 Peter 3:15) We will continue to raise questions as long as the Mormon Church continues to contradict not only the Bible, but themselves as well. We are here and ready to do what God has commissioned us to do.)
    15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
    16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
    (New Testament | 1 Peter 3:15–16‎)‎

    I have never understood why some who leave the LDS Church have to worship at the “church of the antiMormon”.

    As 1 Peter says, when talking to others then antiMormons, I speak of why my new beliefs are true and not as to why my old beliefs were not of God. I am not an antiProtestant, I am a pro Christian.

    fred

    • Boxwood Gardens (@Boxwoodgardens) May 20, 2012 at 11:32 pm #

      “I am pro-Christian.”
      ????!!!!????
      Mormons are NOT pro-Christian. If they were, they’d support this website. Their Jesus is NOT the Jesus of the Bible!!!!

    • fred May 21, 2012 at 3:42 am #

      (Mormons are NOT pro-Christian. If they were, they’d support this website. Their Jesus is NOT the Jesus of the Bible!!!!)

      You must be a “CREEDAL Christian” who believes that the manmade creeds are part of God’s word in the Bible.

      We may not be “CREEDAL Christians”, but we are Christians.

  3. fred May 20, 2012 at 5:32 pm #

    Let us shift back to the idea you put forth in the title where you say that because there was not a “complete apostasy” that there was not a “great apostasy”.

    Just by reading the quotes you used it is easy to see that even though Joseph Smith was told that there was no church that had the authority to speak for God, there were some on earth that held the priesthood. Remember the three Nephits, and don’t forget that the Bible teaches that one of the original twelve would not see of death until the Lord returned.

    As you posted, “Even when the great apostasy occurred following the death of the Savior’s apostles, our Father in heaven held control and had duly authorized servants on the earth to direct his work and to check, to some extent at least, the ravages and corruption of the evil powers. These servants were not permitted to organize the Church nor to officiate in the ordinances of the gospel, but they did check the advances of evil as far as the Lord deemed it necessary.”

    There was never a “complete apostasy” there was just a “great apostasy”.

    fred

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