Heber’s Faulty Memory; God Didn’t Appear to Joseph Smith

Journal of Discourses 6:29 “Do you suppose that God in person called upon Joseph Smith, our Prophet? God called upon him; but God did not come himself and call, but he sent Peter to do it. Do you not see? He sent Peter and sent Moroni to Joseph, and told him that he had got the plates. Did God come himself? No: he sent Moroni and told him there was a record, and says he, “That record is matter that pertains to the Lamanites, and it tells when their fathers came out of Jerusalem, and how they came, and all about it; and, says he, “If you will do as I tell you, I will confer a gift upon you.” Well, he conferred it upon him, because Joseph said he would do as he told him. “I want you to go to work and take the Urim and Thummim, and translate this book, and have it published, that this nation may read it.” Do you not see, by Joseph receiving the gift that was conferred upon him, you and I have that record?” – Heber C. Kimball, Salt Lake City, November 8, 1857

Proverbs 18:2 “A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.”

As a Mormon I used to think it was me, and my faulty cognitive thinking whenever I’d read contradictory statements like the one seen here. Then I’d wonder what was wrong with me because no one else openly questioned these things.

Today it makes me wonder if they published these things on purpose to confuse people, and if so then why does the Church still quote from these guys if they want to be seen as the “one true church”?

We originally posted this as a Mormon Dilemma in April 2013. We’ve reposted it today as a clear example of how the Church indeed tries to keep people confused. It’s much like our post the other day when Mr. Andersen told kids to keep reminding themselves how important Joe Smith was to the organization. See The Grooming of LDS Kids for more info.

As the Church randomly teaches about their ‘inspired’ leaders, pray for Jesus to protect the hearts and minds of those exposed to these lies!

With Love in Christ;


1 Cor 1:18