False Prophecies of Joseph Smith
20
May
The Greatest Worth of John Whitmer
D&C 15:6; “And now, behold, I say unto you, that the thing which will be of the most worth unto you will be to declare repentance unto this people, that you may bring souls unto me, that you may rest with them in the kingdom of my Father. Amen.”
Revelation to John Whitmer in Fayette, NY in June 1829. History of the Church 1:50.
John Whitmer was excommunicated in the Far West fiasco along with the rest of his family in April 1838. Clearly, this gospel wasn’t worth all that much to Mr. Whitmer.
(Clearly, this gospel wasn’t worth all that much to Mr. Whitmer.)
And yet, he stated many years later that his testimony in the Book of Mormon was true.
This was long after he could have seen any earthly benefit to “keeping to his story”.
Even after he decided he did not want to live the gospel, he did not say it was false.
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John Whitmer wrote to a man that he called Mark Forest. The man is Mark Forscutt; and John Whitmer wrote to him in about ’77. John Whitmer died in ’78 or ’79 and he said I knew most of the eight witnesses–they’re related to him–Hiram Page is his brother-in-law, then his brothers. And he said, “I’ve outlived them all and they all bore their testimony even to the end as I bear my testimony now.” That’s John Whitmer’s own writing
http://www.fairlds.org/fair-conferences/2004-fair-conference/2004-explaining-away-the-book-of-mormon-witnesses
he denied his testimony therefore the “revelation” isn’t true.
Jeremiah himself exemplified the principle of conditional prophecy when he told king Zedekiah, in the name of the Lord, that he would not go captive into Babylon if he followed the prophet’s instructions; otherwise, he would be taken captive and Jerusalem would be destroyed (Jeremiah 38:17-23). The conditional nature of prophecy explains why Jonah is not a false prophet. The Lord’s threat to destroy Nineveh within forty days (Jonah 3:4) was mitigated by the repentance of the city’s population (Jonah 3:4-9). “And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not” (Jonah 3:10). Ironically, Jonah was upset by the fact that the prophecy was not fulfilled, and the Lord had to explain to him that the resultant repentance of “sixscore thousand persons” was more important than fulfilling the word (Jonah 4:1-11). From this story, it is obvious that the free-will actions of men play a role in the fulfillment of prophecy. Here are other examples from the Bible:
http://www.fairlds.org/authors/tvedtnes-john/the-nature-of-prophets-and-prophecy-2
We’re not talking about Jeremiah, we’re talking about Whitmer and what God supposedly said to him thru Joseph Smith.
(he denied his testimony therefore the “revelation” isn’t true.)
(behold, I say unto you, that the thing which will be of the most worth unto you will be to declare repentance unto this people)
Check the wording, the Lord did not say anything about how John Whitmer “will” or “must”; He only gave a conditional revelation. i.e., If you do this, that will happen; if this does not happen, that will not happen.
fred
(We’re not talking about Jeremiah, we’re talking about Whitmer and what God supposedly said to him thru Joseph Smith.)
I just gave you examples of the same thing happening to Bible Prophets and wanted to see if you believe they were also false prophets because of how the same thing happened to them.
Great job Fred. It always has seemed to me that most people want to apply a standard to the LDS that they are unwilling to apply to their own faith, and you seem to have shown this very well.
Keep up the fight in this spiritual war to snatch some of our brothers and sisters out of the fire to come. What some don’t understand is that prophecy involves foretelling and forthtelling. Clearly, Whitmer was foretelling and Jonah was forthtelling. Forthtelling is conditional and we now Jonah was not a false prophet because he was ultimately obedient to God leading to repentance. Awesome picture of God’s mercy for all. Foretelling is not conditional just like Isaiah’s prophecies about Christ’s death and resurrection. Also, John’s prophecy about the endtimes. However, Whitmer neither Smith’s prophecies have ever manifested true. This was a true sign of a FALSE PROPHET. To all Mormon followers, God wants your heart not your works because the work was done on the cross of salvation. Your duty afterwards is a fruit or result of what he has already done. That he is CHRIST JESUS all by himself without your effort. That is real love. Repent and be born again by grace not works. Ephesians 2:5-10.
To the author…
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Camden
Gal. 5:1-14