People Before Adam

Bible not meant for today’s people/People before Adam/Jesus a polygamist


Lecture given by Orson Hyde, JoD 2:75-81

     The title of this may sound scattered and rightly so!  Stick with me though and the method to my madness will iron itself out!  Once or twice a week I make a practice of cruising through other people’s websites that are pro-Mormon just to get the general idea of where the average member is coming from and how they view their church.  While doing this I found a website (pro-Mormon which I won’t mention) that spoke of the early Church leaders and their teachings.  On this particular site was a chat room so I “listened in” on some of their posts.

     While the majority of the people at this chat room were converts to Mormonism there were also several multi-generational Mormons who had been in the Church for a good length of time and knew what they were talking about.  The thread turned to the topic of the age of the earth and how long ago Adam was created.  More than a handful of multi-generational Mormons expressed their desire for the teachings of the Church to return to the way they were in the nineteenth century.  While taken aback at the mere thought of being one of many wives, I was even more surprised at their understanding of creation and whom Adam was.  (And no, it’s not about Adam being God.)

     During the exchange of posts, a middle-aged mom of six expressed that she was confused by what she learned in Sunday school that week.  She said the teacher told her that there were people on earth before Adam and she gave LDS scriptural references to the students.  I immediately jotted down the reference for future use and continued to “listen in” to find out more.  The general consensus of the week long posts was that while it’s not known for sure where or when the first man came to be, most assuredly Adam was not the first.  As I mentioned before, this chat room had a varying degree of converts, non-converts, gender and age groups.  There were roughly 150 participants in that particular group from around the world, having membership in the LDS Church as the only common factor between them. 

     While I am fully aware that what is being spoken about in a chat room isn’t official LDS doctrine it gives us a general idea of how much the average member knows about their faith.

     Now to unravel the confusing part about the title of this article!  I looked up the reference the active LDS members had provided to the mom of six.  From the Journal of Discourses, vol. 2:78-81, we read a part of a lecture given by Orson Hyde in Salt Lake on October 6, 1854.  When I got to said reference I could not believe my eyes.  Because Mr. Hyde’s lecture that day was quite detailed with numerous accounts of blasphemy, I have broken it down into three topics for examination.  Today’s topic is the authenticity of the Bible.  While the references for the three topics overlap each other, I’ve only kept to one small section of this lecture given by the apostle.  I would rank this lecture near the top of my list for the most blasphemous teachings of the LDS Church.  And because I stick by the rule to be fair to all I highly encourage you to read the lecture in full so you can see I am not taking this out of context.

     The entire speech can be found in Journal of Discourses 2:74-87.  Because of copyright laws I am unable to post the speech in its entirety.  In order to read the speech without interruption, please go to





Part I of III – Journal of Discourses 2:78-81




     Well, now, friends and brethren, will you listen to me for a short time, and let me conduct you as far as I shall be able this evening, through the volume of inspiration that is universally acknowledged by all Christendom to be the word of God, the truth of heaven… Judge for yourselves whether it be so or not.”




     In the first place, then, we will look unto Abraham our father, and to Sarah who bore us, for if we are Christ’s, then we are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.




     Interestingly enough Mr. Hyde’s “challenge” of judging “for yourself” as to the truth of his speech was a ruse.  Questioning “the brethren” is strongly discouraged in Mormonism because as they say; “When the leaders speak, the thinking has been done”.  Ensign 6/1946.  In addition to this he alluded to the “word of God being the truth of all Christendom”.  While that part is true, the LDS Church doesn’t believe this “little” detail.  The 8th Article of Faith says; “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.  Key phrase here if you’re not familiar with Mormon doctrine is “as far as it is translated correctly”.  When the missionary tells you they do believe in the Bible ask him or her if they believe without reservation.  One hundred percent of the time they will tell you “no”.




     Mr. Hyde goes on to openly invite them to dig deep to see where the truth lies and then arrogantly led the people into a selfish, perverted way of thinking.


Let us see what Abraham’s works were. Abraham obtained promises. What promise have you obtained? What promise has the Christian world obtained? “Why,” says one, “the Bible is all full of promises made to the people of God long ago.” But what have the promises to the people of God long ago to do with us? Have we obtained promises to ourselves? There is the point. If our fathers obtained promises that they should be fed, and were fed, their eating and drinking does not satisfy my appetite. It satisfied them, but that has nothing to do with me, I want the same kind of substantial food myself. If Abraham obtained promises, I want to obtain promises also.




     Wow!  This reminds me of a petulant two year old.  The temper tantrum attitude of   “Mommy he took my toy away” doesn’t cut it Mr. Hyde!  He is driving it home to the people out in the open pasture land of early Utah that their Bibles are useless.  A good and faithful believer and follower of God would show the congregation the comforting words of Isaiah 40:8; “The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.  Because Orson Hyde gave the people permission to be the judge I would encourage the members of the Church to go ahead, be the judge.  Statements like the one above are just one of the deceptive ways the Church has led the beautiful people of Mormonism out from the fold of Jeshua.  If you’re a member of the Church let me ask you:




Has God been unfair to you?

What promise haven’t you received that you feel is rightly yours?




     If salvation is what Orson Hyde was thinking of, he doesn’t stand a chance at the throne of God claiming that Jesus has been unfair or that he (Hyde) could only be fed by having manna dropped personally to him.  The promise that God gave to Abraham is the promise that he and Sarah would have a son; the Savior would come through his lineage and that his (Abraham’s) descendants would be as numerous as the sands of the seashore.  (See Genesis chapters 15-18 and Romans 9:4-16.)  The result of that promise is reserved for those who believe in the God of Heaven and earth, who is the One True God Almighty. 

     Only the cynic would say the message of the Bible is not meant for him personally so I suggest we take a look at when the Israelites only had manna to sustain them during their exodus from Egypt.  Admittedly the account of that passage is for that particular time, however if you look into the story we can see how God is speaking to us even today through what happened some 3,000 years ago.  God is our only source of “food”.  Whether that food is spiritual or literal, He is still the only source.  He is the reason we are employed, thus our blessing of being able to shop for food to feed our families.  He is the provider of our blessings of buying or renting our homes, having transportation, electricity, etc., the list is endless! 

     Spiritually speaking He is the only source of manna that we should rely upon!  His word endureth forever just as it says in Isaiah 40:8 and as Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well, He is the source of living water that gives us eternal life – see John 4:6-26.  Why wouldn’t His promises from long ago be for us as well? 

      You want, you want Mr. Hyde…How about you need God for salvation and you need His endless mercy to forgive you of these teachings and beliefs! 

     What makes me so upset about teachings like this is twofold.  First and foremost; speaking against God like that is incredibly arrogant!  I feel a righteous anger swell inside of me when I think of someone speaking like this about the Lord.  Secondly, I see my ancestors sitting in that audience listening to this and my heart is crushed…

     The speech went on to say:  “…”That Old Bible was for the Jews, and has nothing to do with us; that is the Old Testament; and having more wives was according to their law, and according to their custom, but it does not apply to us; the Savior of the world is our great pattern, he is our great lawgiver.”

     When I read the blasphemy in the annals of LDS writings, I am reminded of a sermon that was given by a pastor friend of mine.  He said; “Remember, the bad guys of the past haven’t been judged yet for what they did while here on earth.  God will not execute judgment until the end.  There will be more people who will believe their lies and that has to be accredited to their account as well”.  To this I say; praise God!

     In regards to the snippet of information in the last paragraph of this lecture: God has never given a law endorsing polygamy.  God has never told man to marry lots of women because polygamy is synonymous with salvation!  Deuteronomy and Leviticus adamantly warn us about the sins of lifting the skirts of women to whom you’re not married.  We are reminded of the sin of David when his and Bathsheba’s son died and we also have the example of Solomon whose ruin was largely due to sexual sin.  In addition to all of that, Mr. Hyde has lied to the masses.  The LDS Church unequivocally endorsed polygamy as key to salvation.  D&C 132 is proof; in fact you can still see this in modern day versions of D&C 132.  In other words Hyde even lied about that!  We’ll talk more about the subject of polygamy in the third part of this study. 

     Secondly, if you knew and worshipped the Jesus of the Bible you would already know that Jesus could only be the lawgiver if He was God Himself; this isn’t something the LDS doctrine adheres to at this time.  Isaiah 33:22 says; “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us”.  The Hebrew word for LORD is Jehovah, meaning Self-Existent; it’s also the Jewish national name for God. 

     And last but not least, the Old Testament is for the Christians!  There wouldn’t be a New Testament without the Old Testament! How would we know of God’s provision for the Israelites and His continual love for them and the need we all have for a Savior if we didn’t have the Old Testament?

     The Christian world by their prejudices have driven us away from the Old Bible, so we must now appeal to the New Testament, for that seems to suit the prejudice of the people; though to me it is all alike, both the Old and New Testaments; for the scribe that is well instructed, brings out of his treasury things both new and old. This is my treasury, or rather, it is one of my treasuries, and what I cannot find there, I trust will come down from on high, and lodge in my heart. The gift of God is also my treasury, even the Holy Spirit.”

     Just a few lines above in his speech he told the audience the Old Testament had nothing to do with Christianity; therefore there was no reason to discuss it.  Now he’s telling them the Christians drew attention away from the Old Testament because of their prejudices.  Which statement is true?

     The “treasury” lodged in this man’s heart certainly isn’t from on high!  I cannot begin to imagine these “inspired teachings” came from the Lord.  If I were in attendance when he gave that speech I would have been confused.  First he believes in the Bible and proclaims that it’s true.  Then he can’t believe in parts of it because of tradition, and next if he can’t find what he “needs” in the word of God then he will go elsewhere. 

     I am picturing my mother sitting in the audience listening to somebody at a General Conference quoting Orson Hyde from this speech.  If she were to take a test on what she learned after attending something like that I am absolutely positive she wouldn’t have understood even half of what was said.   When she and I listened to a General Conference from her own living room just a few years ago I asked her what she learned from the speaker.  She said she didn’t understand most of it but she feels just like she did when her father would read to her from the Book of Mormon.  In other words, it’s a “feel good” experience. 

     The only “Christians” that have driven people away from the Old Testament are the pseudo-Christians.  They just slap the name “Christ” at the end of their church and viola` “we’re Christian too because the name of Christ is in the title of our church name”!  This should be a red flag to anyone investigating a new home church. 

     Also, how are both the Old and New Testaments “all the same” to this man?  Are they the same for you?  To me they are completely different!  The Old Testament is richly filled with tradition, sacrifice and observances performed by God’s chosen people.  The New Testament as we all know is the message of God’s redemptive power to save God’s chosen people as well as the Gentiles.  I don’t see the Old Testament as something that doesn’t pertain to me; rather it is a personal message to me of God’s personality, and the relationship He had with the Israelites including an historical account of the history of the world.  It is the preparation for the setting of the New Testament while proclaiming the coming of the Messiah!

     One other item to note about the last paragraph mentioned here.  What exactly is the “gift of God” and “even the Holy Spirit”?  If he is trying to convince the people that the Holy Spirit is the gift of God that is “lodged in his heart”, it is evident he is without the gift of the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit would never contradict Himself considering He is a part of the Triune God!  Isaiah 9:6 says:  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”.  The God of the Bible said His word would last forever and the Jesus of the Bible said “the gates of hell shall not prevail against His church”.  According to everything LDS this is not true!

     May the LDS people see the truth so they may be set free.  We pray continually for their eyes to be open and God’s mercy to continually be poured upon them as He has always done!





Part II of III – People Before Adam – Journal of Discourses 2:78-81




     That’s right!  There is a not so well known teaching within the corrupted doctrines of the LDS Church that the earth was inhabited before Adam, the “first” man on earth!  Sensationalistic you say?  Yeah, I thought so too until I began researching the subject and found hundreds of references on this subject.  I heard/read about this teaching from the posting in a pro-Mormon chat room.  The participants were talking about the “old school” of Mormonism and their desire to see the original teachings come back to modern-day society.  Ironically enough the three subjects talked about in this chat room had been taught in Sunday school the previous week at one of the chat room participant’s local ward. 

     Think of it, this is what was taught to the early people of Mormonism and obviously at times even today.  As stated in the title of this article, this is the second of a three part series.  The doctrine comes from a lecture that was delivered by the Apostle Orson Hyde in Salt Lake on October 6, 1854 and can be found in its entirety in the Journal of Discourses 2:74-87.  Today’s topic can be found on page 79.

     Because of the complexity of this lecture given by the Apostle Orson Hyde and his style of speech, I have divided it into three parts/topics to address individually.  Typically I don’t do things this way but I was floored to see the level of blasphemy he went to and couldn’t let it slip by untouched!  I also cannot legally post the whole speech in its entirety because of copyright laws.  To read the entire passage I’m referring to, please go to  I also won’t be addressing the issue of Jesus’ alleged marriage or polygamy in this article.  For now we’re just looking at the LDS teaching of people inhabiting the earth before Adam. 

     Journal of Discourses 2:79; “…I will go back to the beginning, and notice the commandment that was given to our first parents in the garden [sic] of Eden. The Lord said unto them, “Multiply and replenish the earth.” I will digress here for a moment from the thread of the subject, and bring an idea that may perhaps have a bearing upon it.

     The earth, you remember, was void and empty, until our first parents began at the garden [sic] ofEden. What does the term replenish mean? This word is derived from the Latin; “re” and “plenus;” “re” denotes repetition, iteration; and “plenus” signifies full, complete; then the meaning of the word replenish is, to refill, recomplete.




     First let’s stop here and take a look at what he’s saying because already it’s a mixed message!   Get out your concordances, bibles and dictionaries!

     This word “replenish” in Genesis is taken from the Hebrew word “male`”, pronounced maw-lay.  If the article you were reading came from the Roman Empire then yes, it’d be a good chance the word would come from the Latin, but not here, not now.  The transliteration for this word means “to fill”.  God is telling Adam to fill the earth with people, not to refill the earth.  Now if this were really the case and God wanted Adam to refill the earth with people who’ve disappeared somewhere then we would find other verses throughout the Bible that backs this up!   

     The earth was void and empty until God created it and then placed Adam and Eve onto the earth.  Mr. Hyde makes it sound as if they were here before the rest of creation was here and that is not the case at all!

     As I’ve said countless times in earlier articles, I am not a scholar in any language and that would include English, however anyone is able to dissect, contemplate and come to a logical conclusion about what they’re reading.  Telling the crowd that words “came from the Latin” is nothing but lies, thankfully for us who are living in today’s technological bonanza, the lies are easily seen through!

     Mr. Hyde said; “What does the term replenish mean? This word is derived from the Latin; “re” and “plenus;” “re” denotes repetition, iteration; and “plenus” signifies full, complete; then the meaning of the word replenish is, to refill, recomplete.” 

     The other subject we’ll want to pay attention to is the matter of time-lines. We want to get a rough idea of when Latin was “invented” and just for good measure check out the same info for Hebrew.  In any good encyclopedia you will find that Latin is first known to have existed circa 700 BC, spoken by small groups of people living along the lower Tiber River.  It first spread with the Roman Empire throughout Italy, then into Europe and eventually Africa.  (Source:  “Latin Language.  Encyclopedia Britannica.  2006.). The “Middle English Language” existed circa 1100 to 1500 AD (Source:  




[The information above was taken from an article I wrote in 2004.  You can see it in full at: ]




     As a side note I thought it’d be interesting to share with you what I found in the doctrines of Mormonism in my Gospelink program.  From Answers to Gospel Questions 1:7; “It is held by some that Adam was not the first man upon this earth, and that the original human was a development from lower orders of the animal creation. These, however, are the theories of men. The word of the Lord declares that Adam was “the first man of all men,”(Moses 1:34.) and we are therefore in duty bound to regard him as the primal parent of our race.

     Here we have a prophet of the Church just some 40-50 years later denouncing any theory of man existing on earth before Adam; in addition to that he used LDS scripture to substantiate his claims. I also found subject titles of “pre-Adamites” in Mormon Doctrine, Encyclopedia of Mormonism and various other documents in Gospelink.  What was interesting in these books is that when you look up the subject “pre-Adamites” it always refers you to “Adam” or “Creation” and nothing is ever said about “pre-Adamites”.  Why would it be in there if it wasn’t a subject matter? 

     Let’s continue looking at what else Mr. Hyde had to say to his audience that day!

     If I were to go into a merchant’s store, and find he had got a new stock of goods, I should say—”You have replenished your stock, that is, filled up your establishment, for it looks as it did before.” “Now go forth,” says the Lord, “and replenish the earth;” for it was covered with gloomy clouds of darkness, excluded from the light of heaven, and darkness brooded upon the face of the deep. The world was peopled before the days of Adam, as much so as it was before the days of Noah. It was said that Noah became the father of a new world, but it was the same old world still, and will continue to be, though it may pass through many changes.




     Why is it that when we are continually dealing with pride issues, exalted man, man becoming gods, etc., that alongside it we also find that man will not and cannot for a moment think that God is something bigger than his own simple mind?  Why would the word “replenish” in the Bible have to mean the same as the example he is giving about the grocery store’s owner?

     When God said, Go forth and replenish the earth; it was to replenish the inhabitants of the human species, and make it as it was before. Our first parents, then, were commanded to multiply and replenish the earth; and if the Savior found it his duty to be baptized to fulfil all righteousness, a command of far less importance than that of multiplying his race, (if indeed there is any difference in the commandments of Jehovah, for they are all important, and all essential,) would he not find it his duty to join in with the rest of the faithful ones in replenishing the earth? “Mr. Hyde, do you really wish to imply that the immaculate Savior begat children? It is a blasphemous assertion against the purity of the Savior’s life, to say the least of it.”

     To begin with, nowhere in the Bible did it say “to make it as it was before” in regards to replenishing the earth.  I have shown from a Hebrew dictionary what the word “replenish” means.  Yes, God wanted Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply, replenish the earth, meaning replace you with another who will take your place or fill the earth to have another here (Garden of Eden) in addition to you.  God already knew what was going to take place.  Adam and Eve would sin and Cain would kill Abel, the world would never be the same.  The key element to know here is that as man we don’t know what it would have been like without sin.  Just because God hasn’t revealed this to us as mankind doesn’t mean that He had it all wrong!

     This type of scenario reminds me of another lie told by the Church.  They say they have proof there is a pre-existence by what it says in Job 38.  What the LDS Church doesn’t tell its members is that this passage of scripture is when God is asking Job these questions he is also chastising him for the way he handled his three friends while at the same time showing him how much he means to God. 

     The Church tells its members that God wouldn’t be asking him those questions if he hadn’t been in the pre-existence to witness all of it!  They will quote the verses of Job 38:4-7 as their proof.  See Higher Laws: Understanding the Doctrines of Christ, pg. 7 by Orrin G. Hatch, 1995 as just one example.

     I mentioned in part one of this three part series the Church made the statement in 1946 that “when the leaders speak the thinking has been done”.  On the other hand the Church encourages the members to seek the truth as they have nothing to hide.  In LDS doctrine it is commanded that salvation is gained through knowledge!  In Mormon Doctrine from pgs. 425-7 the apostle Bruce McConkie states; “The process of gaining exaltation consists in growing in knowledge until a state of godhood is reached…But it is the knowledge of God and his laws that leads to high reward in the hereafter. (2 Ne. 9:28-29, 42.)… it is for this reason that the saints are commanded to seek knowledge in all fields. (D. & C. 88:77-81, 118; 93:53; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 290-306.)… Similarly, when he said, “It is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance” (D. & C. 131:6), he meant there could be no salvation in ignorance of Jesus Christ and the saving principles of the gospel. “The principle of knowledge is the principle of salvation,” he said on another occasion… 

     I would venture to say that they are encouraging its members to study their doctrines about God!  Right?  Wrong answer.  Typically those of us who begin studying the doctrines of Mormonism are thrown into the lake of the “anti-Mormons” for whom there is no hope.  The fear of being titled an “apostate” or the “whore of Babylon” keeps many God-fearing, Jesus loving Mormons in the chains of Mormonism!  I can say this with all assurance seeing as how it was at the top of my list of reasons for not leaving sooner!

     With all that being said though I encourage each and every Mormon to study, seek diligently as it says to do in Moroni 10:3-5 for the truth.  If truth cannot lie then you will certainly be able to see if Mormonism stands the test of time as their prophet Joseph Fielding Smith said in Doctrines of Salvation 1:188; “Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. He was either a prophet of God, divinely called, properly appointed and commissioned, or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. There is no middle ground.”

     There is no shame in wanting to know the truth.  Go to your dictionaries and lexicons.  The internet is large enough now that you can find a reputable source to meet your needs for research materials.  Reference books such as concordances, encyclopedias, history logs, dictionaries, etc., can be easily used, for free I might add, and are there for your benefit! 

     Lies that are taught and propagated throughout the Church need to be exposed to the light and we will continue to do this until they repent of their ways!  It is in no way done to condemn nor to bash the people of Mormonism as they are the innocent bystander!  I pray daily for all Mormons and those sitting on the fence.  You don’t have to accept the lies!  Mr. Hyde couldn’t even tell the truth about the Hebrew word “replenish”!  Either he didn’t know to begin with and just outright lied or he just kept making things up as he went along…either way it is disgraceful and no one should place their eternal welfare on the likes of him!

     If you’re interested in knowing how to receive the real Jesus into your heart let us know!  Please e-mail us at or you can call here on the ministry line at 1-877-362-2751.  We’d love to hear from you!





Part III – Polygamy




     The Edmunds-Tucker Act of 1890 brought the state of Utah to its knees, both literally and figuratively.  It required Utah to immediately halt the practice of polygamy if they had any intention of becoming a member of the union in the United States.  This would bring a complicated issue to further confusion for the Mormons in regards to their doctrine, family dynamics as well as economic issues.  If the practice of polygamy had to be stopped immediately what were they to do with doctrines such as D&C 132?  As we’ve seen in the past 100 plus years, they have conveniently ignored it.

     From the writings of the Apostle Bruce McConkie in Mormon Doctrine we see just how ambiguous the Church’s formal stand is on the issue.  On page 578 it says; “From such fragmentary scriptural records as are now available, we learn that the Lord did command some of his ancient saints to practice plural marriage. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob — among others (D. & C. 132) — conformed to this ennobling and exalting principle; the whole history of ancient Israel was one in which plurality of wives was a divinely accepted and approved order of matrimony. Those who entered this order at the Lord’s command, and who kept the laws and conditions appertaining to it, have gained for themselves eternal exaltation in the highest heaven of the celestial world.”

     As I stated in one of the earlier articles on this lecture there is no commandment given by God to the early patriarchs that they must practice polygamy.  The only time we see a commandment for this is when we read LDS doctrine.  Whenever we’ve presented a member of the Church with this and explain why this fulfills the requirements of a false prophecy we are often given an answer like the following which they’ve been taught to offer for an excuse; “At that time conditions were such that the Lord by revelation withdrew the command to continue the practice, and President Wilford Woodruff issued the Manifesto directing that it cease. (Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 213-218.) Obviously the holy practice will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man and the ushering in of the millennium. (Isa. 4.)  Now obviously not every single Mormon will be quoting that verbatim, however they won’t have a problem sharing their own version or understanding of this excuse for not practicing polygamy today.

     For the members of the LDS Church:  I would implore you to ask yourself the following questions:




Does it bother you that in Mormonism this god has changed his mind?




How comfortable are you in knowing that he could change his mind again?




If the prophet of the Church announced that he had received another revelation and it was time to practice D&C 132 would you obey?  If your answer is no; why and whom do you feel that you would be disobeying?  Would it be the Mormon god or the LDS Prophet?





     As a child I recall sitting in my primary classes to learn the story of Jesus being married.  Every child believes everything their parents teach them; I wasn’t any different as I looked to my own parents and teachers for truth.  It hadn’t occurred to me all of the “teachers” in my life had been lied to their entire lives as well.

     All of that changed when I learned about cause and effect outside the comfortable world of play-pens and backyard swing sets.  It wasn’t until they gave me a Bible at my baptism that I began questioning the teachings of those primary teachers and my parents.     

     I had always believed Jesus was my elder brother and that Jesus was married.  I wouldn’t have been able to tell you who He was married to or how many kids He had, but I equated His sufferings to that of Joseph Smith who was tarred and feathered for sharing the gospel.   Jesus was simply here on earth to portray obedience towards Heavenly Father, get married and earn His own earth someday.  Sounds very simplistic and grandiose, but it is what it is. 

     It wasn’t long after I officially left the Church before I “discovered” the true LDS version of Jesus.  Not only are the doctrines appalling, but the prolific amount of heretical literature that is embedded in Mormon terminology and doctrine is startling to say the least of it.  The lecture we’re examining by Orson Hyde sits near the top of my “most heretical teachings list” of the LDS Church.

     From pg.  ; “…Abraham obtained promises. What promise have you obtained? What promise has the Christian world obtained…If Abraham obtained promises, I want to obtain promises also  …A man that has more than one wife obtain promises from God?” I tell you there were but few in olden times who ever did obtain promises from God, that had not more than one wife, if the Bible be true. There was David, and there was Solomon; there were the whole line of the kings of Israel. Says one, “That Old Bible was for the Jews, and has nothing to do with us; that is the Old Testament; and having more wives was according to their law, and according to their custom, but it does not apply to us; the Savior of the world is our great pattern, he is our great lawgiver.”  And how is it with him? Let us Inquire.”




     It’s not meant to be rude, but I like to jump on opportunities like this.  I see here where I am invited to inquire of what is being preached.  The one thing that stands out of course is the false doctrine of what Hyde claims to be in the Judaic Law.  There are 613 laws and not one of them requires a man to have more than one wife!   




Did the Savior of the world consider it to be his duty to fulfill righteousness? You answer, yes. Even the simple ordinance of baptism he would not pass by, for the Lord commanded it…Our first parents, then, were commanded to multiply and replenish the earth; and if the Savior found it his duty to be baptized to fulfil [sic] all righteousness, a command of far less importance than that of multiplying his race, (if indeed there is any difference in the commandments of Jehovah, for they are all important, and all essential,) would he not find it his duty to join in with the rest of the faithful ones in replenishing the earth?




     Now this is where the leadership of the LDS Church goes astray.  Yes, the Lord Jesus came to fulfill all righteousness, He tells us this in Matthew 5:17; “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.”  And yes, I would also agree that we should obey His commandments.  In Matthew 22 we find that the first two most important commandments are to love the Lord your God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself.  Jesus said these “on these two commandments depends the whole Law and the Prophets” – Matthew 22:40.

     Wouldn’t you think that somewhere in any of the part of the New Testament that if salvation was dependent upon being married that Jesus would have said something either here or in other passages?  Wouldn’t anyone have said something about Jesus being married if that was truth?  The marriage in Cana was not a wedding for Jesus; nowhere in the text does it allude to such a thing.  The only time I’ve ever heard of anyone believing that Jesus was married is by the LDS Church and people like Dan Brown who wrote The Da Vinci Code.  There is no biblical basis for it whatsoever.  He continued on in his speech by saying the following:




     Now suppose I should set out myself, and travel through the cities of the nation as a celebrated reformer, preaching revelations and sentiments as lofty as the skies, and rolling out ideas strange and new, to which the multitude were entirely unaccustomed; and wherever I went, suppose I had with me three or four women—one combing my head, another washing my feet, and another shedding tears upon them, and wiping them with the hair of her head. Suppose I should lean upon them, and they upon me, would it not appear monstrous in the eyes of the world? Would they ride me into Jerusalem upon our ass’s colt, and cast branches of the palm tree beneath my feet, shouting, “Hosannah, blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord, hosannah in the highest?” I guess they would give me a coat of tar and feathers, and ride me on a rail; and it is my opinion they would serve the Savior the same, did he go about now as he did eighteen hundred years ago.”




     I personally cannot imagine going through my life and not being repulsed by the statement made above.  I don’t even want to think of what our Lord thought of that “teaching” promoted by Mr. Hyde.  The Church obviously didn’t have a problem with it seeing as how they published it.  The same holds true even for today with the Church.  If they denounced the teaching wouldn’t they publicly proclaim it?  I assure you that if/when they ever do denounce it I will be at the top of the list to publicize their proclamation! 

     Our God, the God of the whole universe, the God who created man from nothing, the God who controls each breath we take is not subject to what we as man is subject to.  The assertion to promulgate anything less than what is truth is blasphemy. 

     I have a box filled every week with packages of videos and books to be sent out to members of the LDS Church who are discovering the truth about the teachings of the Church.  In their hearts they know they love Jesus and are repulsed by doctrines such as these.  The frustration, fear and turmoil they go through is nothing short of tragic and I’m not sure who I feel sorrier for; them or Jesus. 

     It hurts me deeply when these things are discovered and I can’t help but picture Jesus hanging on that cross for something like this.  He hung there to forgive us for believing the lies and he’ll even forgive us for teaching them to others.  The trouble is that our pride gets in the way and won’t allow Him to do His work in us.

     Another one of my “discoveries” in this genre was a book written by Ogden Kraut.  It’s called “Jesus Was Married” and was printed and sold by the author.  This however shouldn’t discount the fact that what he had to say wasn’t Mormon doctrine.  I bought the book at a Deseret Industries in Ogden, Utah on


Washington Blvd.



in the mid nineties. 


On page 84-5 he said;

Man’s honor and glory is obtained by woman.  Alone and single, man fades into insignificance, but through women and children, his glory is extended and perpetuated.  For this reason Paul said that “the woman is the glory of the man.”  (1 Cor. 11:7)  Jesus was not the exception to this principle.  Before He died he said to the Father:  “Father, the hour has come; glorify thy Son that thy Son may also glorify thee; “I have glorified thee on the earth; I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.” (John 17:1, 4).




“But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.”




“This promise is yours also, because ye are of Abraham, and the promise was made unto Abraham; and by this law is the continuation of the works of my Father, wherein he glorifieth himself.  Go ye, therefore, and do the works of Abraham; enter ye into my law and ye shall be saved.”




D&C 132:63, 31, 32




     I could write books and books on the subject of Jesus being a polygamist that the LDS Church has taught.  Orson Hyde also said this about the jesus he worships:  I worship one that is just pure and holy enough “to fulfil all righteousness;”” – Journal of Discourses 2:210.

     To the members of the LDS Church:  If you’re tired of trying to live up to the righteousness that seems out of reach it’s probably because what you’re looking to isn’t found in the LDS Church.  My late brother Phillip once gave me a wise word of advice:  “Michelle the Jesus you’re looking for isn’t here in Utah; you’ll find Him, just not here and not in this way”.

     Remember we don’t publish this to bash the Mormon people; we do it because of our concern for you!  We pray for you always!




With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18









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