Mormon E-mails October 2012

03 October

Mormon E-mails

First things first.  I’m asking our Christian friends to pray for those who’ve written into the ministry!  Each time I receive an e-mail I view it as a reminder to me from the Lord of what He did for me and how He literally saved my life. I’ve only listed the exchanges I’ve had with two Mormons, but will post the rest of them as we get time!

With that in mind here is another installment of a few Mormon e-mails.  Don’t forget to pray!

From: Shane R
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 1:56 PM
To: info@lifeafter.org
Subject: Broken links

You have a few broken links:
Web page: http://www.lifeafter.org/mormon_code.asp
Broken links:    info@lifafter.org    (wrong domain name)
LDS Revelation: Gay Bishops OK?

Link does not reference a valid page.

If you need a Mormon to help you with your site, let me know. 😛

On 9/1/2012 4:05 PM, Michelle-Life After wrote:

Thanks for letting us know about a broken link on our site.  I found that all of them but one worked (Gay bishop story). Not sure what your reference to wrong domain name means but you obviously clicked on something to send us this note.  😉

If you’d like to discuss LDS doctrine we’d love to hear back from you Shane!  And sincerely, I wanted you to know that we’ll be praying for you.

With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18

From: Shane R
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:43 PM
To: Michelle-Life After
Subject: Re: Broken links

Michelle;
I visited your site again today. I am disappointed that you have decided to misrepresent and twist things which are obviously and easily verifiable. I won’t question your motives for doing so. It is what it is. How am I to trust your statements about any other arguments?
May you find the truth.

Shane

Well Shane you still haven’t answered my question.

I find it interesting when members of the Church will accuse and point fingers without giving any clue as to what they’re talking about.

Again, if you’d like to discuss exactly what I’ve done to misrepresent or twist things I’d love to do that with you.  As it is all I hear from you so far is how I have a broken link on the site and that you’re accusing me of something without proof.

We’re praying for you Shane and hope to hear back from you soon!

With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18

From: Shane R
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 12:53 AM
To: Michelle-Life After
Subject: Re: Broken links

Michelle;
The page that I will be addressing is the following: Atonement. I have not significantly reviewed other pages yet.

I find it difficult to believe that a bishop or anyone would tell you that you would go to hell merely because you had not been married in the temple. This contradicts doctrine in a number of ways: it assumes that you would never get married in the temple; it assumes that you must be married in the temple to go to heaven; finally, it assumes that no one would ever do the sealing ceremony for you.

I won’t assume your knowledge of LDS doctrine. It appears that you claim to have been members at some point, but your understanding of basic doctrinal issues belies this point.

There are three levels of heaven (in order of glory from lowest to highest): telestial; terrestrial; and celestial. The only mention of temple marriage in relation to heaven is that in order to attain celestial glory, “a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage]; And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.” Essentially, this means that if you are not married in the temple, you will only attain terrestrial glory, which is the middle level of heaven. It is not hell, nor is it spirit prison.

This carries over to your daughter Mallory. Unless you had done something that warranted your going to spirit prison, I see no doctrinal reason justifying the eternal placement of your daughter with another family for the mere “sin” of not being married in the temple. I have friends who were married first in a civil ceremony and later sealed in the temple. Had you remained in the church this would have eventually happened.

There are people in every faith who fail to receive the message. Due to people like that, I left Christianity (non-LDS) and practiced Wicca, then losing faith altogether before returning to the church. Should I use those experiences to discount all gentiles?

My experience in the time since I returned to the church has been generally very positive. When I needed it, the church and my bishop was there to help me out, to get established in life financially. The church, in the bishopric and certain members, has been there for emotional and spiritual guidance when I have needed them, often at nearly the drop of a hat. Yet you say that they have anger corrupting their hearts, their souls. When I attend church, I see people, not perfect, but also not hateful. People who often realize they are not perfect, that it will be a long time before they are perfect.

Regarding the plan of salvation, you state “Notice there is the implication that we must have ‘lucked out’ that Jesus was chosen over Lucifer and notice as well that God’s offer of salvation to us through His Son is based on the condition that we behave.” This wasn’t “lucking out.” Jesus understood the lesson Father had taught him very well. Satan, in his own pride, failed to understand the point of what he was taught and merely sought for his own gain. My father shares apparently your belief that merely being saved grants us access to heaven regardless of whatever we do in our lives after that. He has told me that I will go to hell for being LDS. I have enjoyed responding with the fact that I was baptized (Southern Baptist) long before I was ever baptized in the church and thus, by his own faith guaranteed a spot in heaven.

As I have not been to the temple yet, I can not address (for my own account, as you know what goes on in the temple is sacred) what goes on there.

According to LDS doctrine, Adam and Eve did not commit a sin but rather a transgression.

Sadly, I fear that you will only misrepresent my letters to you to justify your crusade against the church. However, I feel called upon to show you where your site is wrong. The rest is up to you. I am still waiting to hear from you as to the question you mentioned earlier. What was the specific question?

It is late and I think I have exhausted every issue on the instant page. My prayers are with you and your husband, that you will realize the horrible decision you have made before it is too late to rectify it.

Sincerely;

Shane

HI Shane –

Thanks for writing back!

I want to touch on a couple of things about this particular article and show  you from LDS doctrine of what this bishop said was correct as far as Mormon theology goes.  It doesn’t mean it’s biblically correct Shane because it’s not.

The bishop told us we would never see our daughter again and she’d be given to another family in heaven because we hadn’t been married in the temple.  His words, not mine, not my husband Kirk’s, not my neighbor’s…

For years I wondered where he got this interpretation of Mormonism from because I’d never heard of such a thing and I grew up as a “staunch” Mormon in Utah no less.

In D&C 131:1-4 we’re told that unless we’re married in the temple we cannot go to the Celestial Kingdom.  Because Kirk and I were not married in the temple it meant that we’d be separated from our daughter.  According to Joseph Fielding Smith’s own teaching he said;

“When a baby dies, it goes back into the spirit world, and the spirit assumes its natural form as an adult, for we were all adults before we were born… If parents are righteous, they will have their children after the resurrection. Little children who die, whose parents are not worthy of an exaltation, will be adopted into the families of those who are worthy.” – Doctrines of Salvation 2:56.

If I’m separated from my child who will receive a true salvation it only stands to reason that I’d be separated from God as well. Separation from God means you’re not in heaven and this means hell Shane.

Because we weren’t married in a certain building and didn’t wear certain clothes and didn’t say specific prayers we go to hell.

This isn’t my own interpretation or understanding. This is Mormon theology 101.

AND – if we have to be married in a certain building while wearing special clothing and reciting specific prayers then what pray tell was the deal with Jesus? His works, power and words are all for naught.  What kind of god would go through all of that and not hold enough clout or power to save his creation without the help of his creation?  That’s no power or god at all.

Now let me make something abundantly clear here.  I didn’t leave Mormonism because the bishop hurt my feelings 24 years ago. I didn’t leave because someone hurt my feelings or because of other people’s actions or interpretation of the Bible.

I left Mormonism because of Mormonism.  I left because of doctrinal issues. I left because the Jesus of the Bible is diametrically opposed to the Jesus of Mormonism.  The only similarities between the Jesus of biblical Christianity and the Jesus of Mormonism are name only.  There are no doctrines of Mormonism to be found in the Bible.

I began doing in-depth research of Mormonism right after the death of Mallory.  It was long before the internet came around so I went to what I knew – Mormon doctrinal books.  I already had several books written by Mormon prophets that I used and then I went to my local library and ordered church history books, doctrinal essays of Brigham Young and other leaders of the Church and I read what they had to say about Jesus and salvation.  I then compared those findings with my Bible.  It was a rudimentary method that proved to be priceless.

I left Mormonism in 1993 and have never regretted my decision even for a moment.

My heart cries because you left Christianity due to someone not receiving a message Shane.  I implore you to reconsider.

My experience at that graveyard in Vegas wasn’t the sole reason I left, but it did serve as the deciding factor to do something.

I heard a great sermon the other day by a Scottish pastor by the name of Alistair Begg.  In essence he talked of what we can or can’t do for salvation. He said; “We aren’t saved because of what we can do but because of what He already did”.

You can hear his sermon here if you’re interested.  http://www.truthforlife.org/broadcasts/2012/10/02/the-present-kingdom-part-one-b/

He also talks about the twelve disciples Jesus chose.

Jesus chose twelve because He was choosing a new Israel.  The true Israel doesn’t consist of those who descend from Abraham. The true Israel is made up of those who are adopted by God who is the Father of us all.  There are 2 ways to be a child of God.

If you just so happen to be born by the right parents at the right time and in the right place.

But now we have God who came here in the flesh by the name of Jesus who proclaimed what the ancient prophets had spoken of.  The Pharisees told Jesus, but we have Abraham our Father…and Jesus said look pal don’t use Abraham’s name as your father; the devil is your father and he is the father of lies.

Pastor Begg went onto say that Jesus didn’t say this to them to be unkind but to teach them this is the gospel of all nations to all people – this message is the same for all people.

Not just for the Mormons, not just for the “true Jews” – but for all of us.

The other way to be a child of God is through adoption. It is by grace through faith we have become children of God. It isn’t because of what we’ve done but because of what HE has done.

This is the standard for true Christianity because this is what the Bible says.

We’re praying for you Shane and hope to hear from you again.

With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18

From: lyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:12 AM
To: info@lifeafter.org
Subject: mormons powerful?

My question is “why are you devoted so much time and energy to tearing down a church?”   Is it a threat to you?   to anyone?   Just believe in Christ and teach people the love that He taught.  Tearing down someone else’s life does not seem like honoring the love that Jesus taught.

Dear Lyn –

Hi my name is Michelle Grim and I wanted to thank you for writing in to us at Life After Ministries. I also wanted to let you know Lyn that we’re praying for you and I mean that with all sincerity.

Now onto  your questions and statement.

I’m sorry you feel that I’ve gone about tearing down a religion or someone’s life. Believe me that is not my intent by having this ministry.

My intent in having this ministry is to provide information to the public at large, Mormons in  particular, of the dangers in Mormon theology.  There’s no doubt in my mind Jesus has called me to this ministry and therefore I have obeyed His calling upon my life.

The one thing that keeps me going in this ministry is remembering what it was like as a Mormon.  Originally I was a 6th generation Mormon from Utah and in the Church for 30 years.  I vividly recall many encounters of those who disagreed with me about my faith and how furious I became at their questions.  Those were the only times I felt the “outsiders” as well as Mormonism were a threat to me.

Do I feel that way now?  Absolutely not!

What I do feel now is my broken heart over all the lost souls in Mormonism.  You see, I have absolutely no doubt Mormons love Jesus.  If I doubted that at all, even for a moment, I wouldn’t have this ministry.

The problem is the doctrine of Mormonism. It’s the wrong Jesus.  The wrong god.  And it’s the wrong Holy Spirit.

The hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life was when I buried my daughter and the only thing that’s ever rivaled that pain is leaving Mormonism.  It was everything to me. I was Mormon first, American second and then everything else.  The problem I kept encountering as a Mormon was when I’d read my Bible and no matter how hard I tried, I could never reconcile the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of Mormonism. A choice had to be made and I couldn’t turn my back on the Jesus of the Bible.

I would ask you Lyn –

Who’s life am I tearing down? I don’t hate Mormons.  I love them dearly and consider them to be my people. The things I don’t like are the tenets and doctrines of Mormonism.  There’s a huge difference.

I would ask you to challenge yourself Lyn.  Why are you Mormon? Is it because you’ve always been Mormon? Is it because you truly believe you’ll be a goddess wife someday and if so have you read the Bible in-depth enough to qualify your position?  Have you held the Mormon prophets up to the same standard you hold outsiders up to? Meaning you want them to prove where they’re coming from and you question their motives.  Have you done the same with the prophets of Mormonism? Because I have to say that your concerns aren’t really about us (the Christians), rather it’s about what’s going on inside the Church and your heart.

I hope to hear back from you soon – I mean that with all sincerity as well.  Know that we’re praying for you!

With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18

“The problem is the doctrine of Mormonism. It’s the wrong Jesus.  The wrong god.  And it’s the wrong Holy Spirit. “

That is indeed a broad and controversial statement.  Whose “wrong”?    maybe your interpretation  of the Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit of Mormonism is wrong.   If you were in the Church for 30 years, I’m assuming you’ve lived long enough to realize that we all interpret things we learn and hear according to our own experiences and therefore one person’s belief is somewhat different than anothers.  If you want to debate doctrine, that is one thing, but to blanketly make broad speculation, that is not beneficial to anyone.  I appreciate you praying for me,  just be sure you are praying the the “right” God.   If you pray with a sincere heart (not with your mind already made up) then God is able to answer your prayers.  God is God. (even if one calls Him by a different name or a different belief.    By the way it’s respectful to ALWAYS capitalize the name of God.

 I will pray for you.  I believe you are sincere, even if misled.

Christ is Love,

Lyn

Dear Lyn –

Good to hear back from you!

You asked; “who is wrong?” and then mentioned my interpretation of the God, Jesus and HS of Mormonism might be wrong.

It’s difficult to misinterpret the meaning of the LDS leaders’ words about this when they give explicit definitions of each.  I would’ve given everything I had to be wrong, but alas, that wasn’t what I discovered.

The one thing about Mormons (not Mormonism, but the people in particular) I am 100% convinced about is that they love Jesus.  Of this there is no doubt in my mind. The problem lies in which Jesus we’re talking about because the Jesus of the Bible is not the Jesus of Mormonism.

And Lyn this breaks my heart for my people. I vividly recall what it was like being a Mormon and wondering why I was always confused.  What I did know is that I loved the Lord and wanted to please Him. I finally decided after years of brutal agony in my heart to investigate the Church for myself and compare my findings with what the Bible said.  It was long before the internet came into existence so I went directly to the teachings of LDS leaders alone. I studied Mormon doctrinal books I personally owned and then went to a local library to read books on Mormon Church history to see for myself what past leaders and prophets had taught about Jesus.

The last thing in the world I wanted to do was to leave Mormonism. In fact the thought never even crossed my mind. I was studying to clarify the confusion in my mind and was really hoping I’d prove myself wrong. At the end of my studies I realized I couldn’t be a Mormon and follow the Jesus of the Bible simultaneously.

I’ve prayed with a sincere heart for God to show me truth and without any preconceived notions of what I wanted.  I wanted to follow Him exclusively (still do!) and I readied myself for Him to reveal Himself to me.

The Jesus of the Bible is God incarnate who came here in the flesh (John 1:1, 14) to die on the cross for our sins (Romans 5:8, 10).  He alone paid the penalty for our sin so that we could be reconciled to God (Jude 1:24-25). When we accept Him into our heart as God and Savior then His Holy Spirit comes to literally live inside of us (John 14:16-18, 23).

By Mormon definition this is not who God is. Let’s take a look at what the leaders have said.  The following examples are taken from an article on our blog that I wrote: (for the entire article, here is the link; http://lifeafterministry.com/2011/10/06/mormon-terminology-handouts-for-witnessing/)

Godhead/Trinity

There are billions of gods in Mormonism, but they deal with three primary figures in their ‘godhead’.  There is God the Heavenly Father, his son after the manner of the flesh; Jesus, and the Holy Ghost.  D&C 130:22 says that God and Jesus both have bodies of flesh and bones but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones but is a personage of spirit.  Mormons believe that God was once a man like we are now and passed through his own school of learning and became perfect in order to become a god himself.  This is also why Jesus came here to this earth; to do as his own father did.  Gospel Through the Ages, pg. 104-5, 114.

The Bible says that God is One; Deut. 6:4, John 10:30.  Is not a man; Hosea 11:9.  There is no other Savior; Isaiah 43:10-11, 1 Tim. 2:5.  Jesus is God; John 8:58 & Ex. 3:14.  He’s always been God; Mal. 3:6, John 1:1, 14.  Holy Spirit is God; Isaiah 9:6, John 14:23, 1 John 5:7.

God – Heavenly Father/elohim

As stated before, the Mormon god is an exalted man.  They only refer to God as Heavenly Father or elohim.  I use Father God while in their presence.

“That which is without body or parts is nothing. There is no other God in heaven but that God who has flesh and bones. John 5:26, “As the Father hath life in himself, even so hath he given the Son to have life in himself.” God the Father took life unto himself precisely as Jesus did. (Joseph Smith, The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 60; standardized).”  Joseph Smith, Encyclopedia of Joseph Smith’s Teachings, pg. 290.  

When the Mormon tells you that they only believe in the ‘god of this world’, show them 2 Cor. 4:4.  They are only parroting what they’ve been told to say in response to this question.  And when they tell you that they do worship elohim ask them which one they are worshipping because they are certainly not worshipping the Trinity so that only leaves us with one other possibility.

Holy Ghost vs. Holy Spirit

Mormons do not refer to the Holy Ghost as the Holy Spirit.  While Holy Ghost is biblically correct, they only believe that the HG can be in their presence when they are being extremely holy and obedient.

Mormons do not believe the Holy Ghost is God.  The Mormon Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit but nothing else.  He has limited power and does not qualify as being anything of significance in the daily walk of the Mormon’s life.

Gospel Principles pg. 37; “He is a spirit that has the form and likeness of a man.  He can be in only one place at a time, but his influence can be everywhere at the same time.  Compare the Holy Ghost to the sun.  There is just one sun, but its light and warmth are felt by everyone on earth.”

Jesus told us in John 14 that He would send the Comforter to us so we wouldn’t be left comfortless, which literally means to be orphaned.  There are many other passages throughout the Bible that teaches a different Holy Spirit than that of the Mormon Holy Ghost.  Here are just a few of those verses:

Deut. 6:6-9; Isaiah 9:6; Jer. 31:31; Rom. 8:15, 26-7; John 14:23-6; Acts 1;8; 1 John 3:19; and 1 John 5:7.

Now as for Jesus – Joseph Smith and all other leaders of Mormonism have always taught that Jesus was born through a sexual union between God and Mary. They’ve always taught He was literally begotten through natural laws and is not God incarnate as I mentioned above. They do not believe He is God but a created being and this is not what the Bible says.  Here are some examples of what they have taught regarding Him. You can read more of these examples in another article on our blog. Here’s the link: http://lifeafterministry.com/2011/03/30/mormon-jesus/

Mormon Doctrine of Deity, pg. 264; When the time came that his first-born, the Savior, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came himself and favored that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Savior was begotten by the Father of his spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the organic difference between Jesus Christ and you and me.

Luke 1:37-38; For with God nothing shall be impossible. 38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Journal of Discourses 8:115-116; While brother Joseph was referring to the providences of God, I was led to reflect that there is no act, no principle, no power belonging to the Deity that is not purely philosophical. The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” – Brigham Young, Salt Lake City, July 8, 1860

John 1:34-36; And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.  35 ¶ Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; 36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Promised Messiah, pg. 468; There is no need to spiritualize away the plain meaning of the scriptures. There is nothing figurative or hidden or beyond comprehension in our Lord’s coming into mortality. He is the Son of God in the same sense and way that we are the sons of mortal fathers. It is just that simple.” – Bruce McConkie

Matt. 1:18; Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus and Holy Spirit Created by God

Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 548; Yet God the Father is not one in substance with the Son or the Holy Spirit, but is a separate being. The Father existed prior to the Son and the Holy Ghost and is the source of their divinity. In classical terms, LDS theology is subordinationist; that is, it views the Son and the Holy Ghost as subordinate to and dependent upon God the Eternal Father. They are his offspring. Thus Joseph Smith referred to the Father as “God the first” to emphasize his priority in the Godhead (TPJS, p. 190).

Colossians 1:15-16; Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.

They teach that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers –

Jesus the Christ, pg. 8; “Thus it is shown that prior to the placing of man upon the earth, how long before we do not know, Christ and Satan, together with the hosts of the spirit-children of God, existed as intelligent individuals, possessing power and opportunity to choose the course they would pursue and the leaders whom they would follow and obey.” – Apostle James Talmage

Hebrews 1:5; For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Mormonism teaches that Jesus did not and cannot die for all sins and at other times they teach the opposite.

Jesus Crucified for Sins of Man

1 Nephi 11:33; And I, Nephi, saw that he was lifted up upon the cross and slain for the sins of the world.

John 12:32; And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Jesus’ Blood is Perfect Sacrifice

D&C 76:69; “These are they who are just men made perfect through Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, who wrought out this perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood.”

Romans 3:24; “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.”

Cross

D&C 21:9; “For, behold, I will bless all those who labor in my vineyard with a mighty blessing, and they shall believe on his words, which are given him through me by the Comforter, which manifesteth that Jesus was crucified by sinful men for the sins of the world, yea, for the remission of sins unto the contrite heart.”

Mention of the cross…

D&C 76:69; “These are they who are just men made perfect through Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, who wrought out this perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood.”

No mention of the cross…

John 15:13; “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”

If Jesus had paid the price for sins in the Garden of Gethsemane then He lied in John 15:13.

Atonement for Sin

Doctrines of Salvation 1:130; “We speak of the passion of Jesus Christ. A great many people have an idea that when he was on the cross, and nails were driven into his hands and feet, that was his great suffering. His great suffering was before he ever was placed upon the cross. It was in the Garden of Gethsemane that the blood oozed from the pores of his body…” – Joseph Fielding Smith

Two pages later they said this;

Doctrines of Salvation 1:132; “…For what he has done, we should never fail him. He bought us with a price, the price of his great suffering and the spilling of his blood in sacrifice on the cross.”

And then three pages later they said this;

Doctrines of Salvation 1:135; “Joseph Smith taught that there were certain sins so grievous that man may commit, that they will place the transgressors beyond the power of the atonement of Christ. If these offenses are committed, then the blood of Christ will not cleanse them from their sins even though they repent. Therefore their only hope is to have their own blood shed to atone, as far as possible, in their behalf. This is scriptural doctrine, and is taught in all the standard works of the Church.”

Hebrews 9:28; “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”

The state of Utah is unique in the sense that they are the only state in the Union which allows a convicted murderer on death row to choose the way they want to be executed.  Their choices:  lethal injection and firing squad.  There are 5 people sitting on death row in Bluffdale, Utah awaiting execution by firing squad.  In June 2010 there will be four men left.  A man by the last name of Garner will be executed for murdering a court bailiff while trying to escape during a sentencing hearing for another murder he committed.

Update:  Gardner was indeed executed by firing squad and he was indeed a Mormon.  How sad for this man to have lived a life of crime and then in the end not even know the difference between grace and the lies of the Mormon Church.

Atonement, Man Must Atone for Own Sin

Mormon Doctrine, pg. 92; “But under certain circumstances there are some serious sins for which the cleansing of Christ does not operate, and the law of God is that men must then have their own blood shed to atone for their sins. Murder, for instance, is one of these sins; hence we find the Lord commanding capital punishment. Thus, also, if a person has so progressed in righteousness that his calling and election has been made sure, if he has come to that position where he knows “by revelation and the spirit of prophecy, through the power of the Holy Priesthood” that he is sealed up unto eternal life (D. & C. 131:5), then if he gains forgiveness for certain grievous sins, he must “be destroyed in the flesh,” and “delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God.” (D. & C. 132:19-27.)”

Romans 10:13; “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

And finally Lyn, the apostle Jeffrey Holland in his own words:

Ensign, Nov. 2007, pg 40; “Any criticism that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints does not hold the contemporary Christian view of God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost is not a comment about our commitment to Christ but rather a recognition (accurate, I might add) that our view of the Godhead breaks with post–New Testament Christian history and returns to the doctrine taught by Jesus Himself. ” – Jeffrey R. Holland

Lyn I pray the examples I’ve given above aren’t interpreted as any animosity or taken as bashing the Mormon people as nothing could be further  from the truth as far as my feelings go towards the Mormon people.

Still praying for you and hope to hear from you again.

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2 Responses to “Mormon E-mails October 2012”

  1. thegardensofboxwoodmanor October 4, 2012 at 12:21 am #

    Thank you for all of your very sincere talks with those who email you! May God continue to strengthen you and bless you in this ministry.

  2. lifeafterministry October 4, 2012 at 2:18 am #

    The blessing is mine over and over again. 😉 They get the truth and God gets the glory. 🙂

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