Mormon Dilemma 87/False Prophecies of Joseph Smith

25 October

Jesus and Joseph Smith Related?

 “Jesus Was Married”, pg. 94, by Ogden Kraut;Since Joseph Smith did hold the keys of the kingdom in the last days, (D&C 65:2, 115:19) and was the “Rod” from the loins of the Stem of Jesse, he would have the blood of Abraham, Jesse, and the Savior, according to the testimony of scripture and revelation.  It would be evident that Joseph Smith should also know these facts.  The Prophet did understand them—and more—but he was reluctant to tell them because of the traditions and ideologies of modern Christianity.”

Jesus’ lineage can be found in the books of Matthew and Luke; neither of these books says anything about Joseph Smith being in the lineage of Jesus Christ.

Joseph was not the “Rod” from the loins of the Stem of Jesse – this is a reference to Jesus.

This phrase comes from Isaiah 11:1-2; “And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.”

Additionally there is Romans 9:7 which says; “Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

This is also why the teachings of the Church are heretical.  Here we have a “prophet of God” claiming to be a relative of Jesus.  It’s as if he’s calling himself the savior as well.  He was probably reluctant to say this aloud for fear they’d know that he had finally gone too far.

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8 Responses to “Mormon Dilemma 87/False Prophecies of Joseph Smith”

  1. shematwater October 29, 2011 at 5:49 pm #

    Who is Ogden Kraut, and on what Authority is he making this statement? Please verify that this is actually what the church teaches, and what Joseph Smith taught, before you try to use it against us.

    (Just note, that the lineage of Jesus is not in Matthew or Luke. These contain his ancestry. Lineage are those who come after you, while ancestry are those who came before.)

    • discoveringgrace October 29, 2011 at 6:44 pm #

      “(Just note, that the lineage of Jesus is not in Matthew or Luke. These contain his ancestry. Lineage are those who come after you, while ancestry are those who came before.)”

      Oh brother, they are one in the same Shem.

      linage- 1. descent in a line from a common progenitor
      2. a group of individuals tracing descent from a common ancestor; especially : such a group of persons whose common ancestor is regarded as its founder

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lineage

  2. shematwater October 31, 2011 at 8:17 pm #

    DISCOVERING

    They are different. Even your reference has them as different.

    Ancestry: line of descent : lineage; especially : honorable, noble, or aristocratic descent.

    Notice that Ancestry is a line of descent, while lineage is descent in a line. The one is an originator, while the other is only a part.
    Thus the ancestry of Christ is through the lineage of David; meaning that Christ is on the line of descent from David.
    However, the lineage of Christ would be those who are on the line of descent from Christ, not those who came before him.

    To say one is of the lineage of a particular person is to say you are descended from them, or came after them.
    To say one is of the ancestry of a particular person is to say you are before them.

  3. CamdenC November 1, 2011 at 1:53 am #

    Shem

    What does the LDS church teach about Jesus being married and having children?

  4. shematwater November 1, 2011 at 9:42 pm #

    CAMDEN

    While many of the early leaders believed he was married, and that he did indeed have children, it is not, nor has it ever been, the doctrine of the church. In all truth the question is generally ignored by the leaders, and has been for nearly a century. The church doesn’t teach that he was married, but nor do they teach that he wasn’t. It simply doesn’t matter, so why bother with it.

    Concerning the idea of Joseph Smith being descended from Christ, while I have heard the idea before, I have yet to see competent proof that any leader of the church ever taught it. It would be very difficult to believe, even if some leaders did believe it, as Christ is of the tribe of Judah, while Joseph Smith is of the tribe of Ephraim.

    Me personally, I think it is more likely that Christ was married, and even a possibility that he had more than one wife. I also think it not unlikely that he had children. I take these opinions from various passages in the Bible, as well as other scripture, and from the words of great leaders of the modern era.

  5. CamdenC November 2, 2011 at 2:53 am #

    Well if Jesus was married to multiple women, why wouldn’t He have had children?

    I personnaly don’t beleive that Jesus was married, and especially not to (as many heretical teachings suggest) Mary/Martha, and Mary Magdalene.

    Jesus is God, He wouldn’t need to be married. He came for one purpose and one purpose only.

  6. shematwater November 2, 2011 at 5:44 pm #

    CAMDEN

    I never said he didn’t have children. What I said is that there is no way to prove it, and no leader has ever made a truly authoritative statement concerning the fact. As such, while I think it likely, I am not going to say he positively did.

    As to his need to be married, that is again a matter of interpretation, and would greatly depend on what denomination you accept. Since, to most Christians, marriage is unnecessary for us it would not be necessary to God. Even those who think it is necessary generally think of God apart from man, and so the same necessities do not apply.
    However, from the LDS perspective, which teaches that no man can be exalted without being married, and that God is an exalted man (as is Christ) it becomes a compelling idea that in order to “Fulfill all righteousness” he would have been married. Of course many in the church also espouse the idea that because of his particular calling he was not required to be married on Earth, but will be married in heaven. I don’t like this idea, but as there is no official statement concerning this I really don’t care.

    PS I know of only one person who stated one time that Jesus was married to all three of the women you name. Where are all the other references that would make it “many heretical teachings” and not just one person’s opinion?

  7. CamdenC November 3, 2011 at 2:16 am #

    I guess the word “many” wasn’t necessary in my statement… It should’ve been, “the heretical teaching”.

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