Mormon Dilemma 292

22 June

Jesus in 73 BC

Alma 38:8; “And it came to pass that I was three days and three nights in the most bitter pain and anguish of soul; and never, until I did cry out unto the Lord Jesus Christ for mercy, did I receive a remission of my sins. But behold, I did cry unto him and I did find peace to my soul.”

Isaiah 9:16; “For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.”

The verse from Alma sounds fantastic doesn’t it? 

Yeah, well it’s 73 BC so how did Alma see Jesus and get saved if it’s 73 BC?

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7 Responses to “Mormon Dilemma 292”

  1. friendly freddy 5408 June 22, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    joe smith and the lds church are both false..i left and want nothing to do with it at all..know more of my money tom

    • thegardensofboxwoodmanor June 25, 2012 at 1:14 am #

      Friendly- Are you now going to a Christian Church? We invite you to know more about the Real Jesus! You can also leave your testimony on this website to help others know the truth.

  2. Elder Wilkins June 22, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

    I believe it’s called… having a prophet that can make the will of God known to the people. Prophets have testified of the Savior since the beginning of the world. It also doesn’t say Alma saw Christ, but if he did… it doesn’t make any contradiction to… well, anything.

    • CamdenC June 25, 2012 at 4:43 pm #

      Elder – Great to see you on the site… hope all is well with you.

      Throughout the whole Old Testament the “Messiah” or “anointed One” or “Holy One of Israel” or “Redeemer” was always hoped for and expected… It wasn’t unitl Jesus was born that we found out what His name would be. And “Christ” is not His last name (as I am sure you know). The Jews at the time of Christ would’ve have reffered to Him in the Jewish language as “Yeshua Messiah”. Alma (a Hebrew name meaning “betrothed virgin”) would have used the title “Mashiach”, seeing that he descended from Jews that fled Jerusalem a few hundred years earlier.

      “The Christian Era (abbreviated “CE”), which Jews call the Common Era (also “CE”), began with the birth of a man whose Hebrew name was Yeshua. Although this name is not at all difficult for English speakers to pronounce, (Joshua in English) the King James translators of the Bible chose to take his name from the Greek New Testament, in which book he was called “Iasous”. This name, for reasons which are not entirely clear, became “Jesus” in England.

      The name “Jesus” is too far removed from “Yeshua” to be considered a proper translation, but it is also too overwhelmingly popular to possibly avoid using. This account of his life therefore accedes to peer pressure and employs the English pseudonym, Jesus.

      As we shall see, Jesus, son of Joseph the carpenter of Nazareth, was unequivocally the Jewish Messiah, provided that we define the word “Messiah” precisely as the Bible does. In the Greek language the word “Messiah” is rendered “Christus”.

      The word Christ (or similar spellings) appears in English and most European languages, owing to the Greek usage of Christós (transcribed in Latin as Christus) in the New Testament as a description for Jesus. Christ has now become a name, one part of the name “Jesus Christ”, but originally it was a title (the Messiah) and not a name; however its use in “Christ Jesus” is a title.

      In the Septuagint version of the Hebrew Bible, the word Christ was used to translate into Greek the Hebrew mashiach (messiah), meaning “anointed.”[9][10] Khristós in classical Greek usage could mean covered in oil, or anointed, and is thus a literal translation of messiah.

      The spelling Christ (Greek Genitive: τοῦ Χριστοῦ, toú Christoú,; Nominative: ὁ Χριστὸς, ho Christós) in English was standardized in the 18th century, when, in the spirit of the Enlightenment, the spelling of certain words was changed to fit their Greek or Latin origins. Prior to this, in Old and Middle English, the word was usually spelled Crist the i being pronounced either as /iː/, preserved in the names of churches such as St Katherine Cree, or as a short /ɪ/, preserved in the modern pronunciation of Christmas. The spelling “Christ” is attested from the 14th century.[11]

      In modern and ancient usage, even within secular terminology, Christ usually refers to Jesus, building on the centuries old tradition of such use.[12] Since the Apostolic Age, the use of the definite article before the word Christ and its development into a proper name signifies its identification with Jesus as the promised Jewish messiah.[13]

      … just search “Christ” in Wikipedia…

    • Elder Wilkins June 27, 2012 at 7:01 pm #

      Very informative, yet it adds no substance to the topic at hand. Fact is, the Redeemer of the world was made known to the people of the Americas long before His mortal birth. Perhaps Alma did not engrave the name “Jesus Christ” on the plates, yet it was translated as such, because whatever Alma wrote was equivalent. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter. We can see plainly from the Old Testament that the people knew of a Messiah, and that that Messiah was in actuality their God, Jehovah, who they prayed to. It’s sad to see so many Christians fixating their testimonies on secular notions, putting aside the Holy Spirit while concentrating on so called “evidences.” Last time I checked, the Spirit knows all things. So why don’t we put aside the world and gain our convictions through the Spirit?

      I know the Book of Mormon is true. How do I know? Through the witness of the Holy Spirit. As we read in Galatians, the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, long-suffering, etc. These are the things I’ve gained my testimony on, not on what the world tells me.

  3. thegardensofboxwoodmanor June 25, 2012 at 1:11 am #

    It’s 73 BC…Jesus had not come yet to the world. The people had no knowledge of praying to Him then. It is contradictory to historical Christianity, the Biblical accounts, and to history of the era as well. Where is there proof that in 73 BC this could be true?
    The verse in Isaiah applies to the false prophets leading people astray as happens today in Mormonism. BOM is part of this false leading.

  4. CamdenC June 29, 2012 at 4:23 pm #

    Elder Wilkins – I believe you misunderstood the purpose of my posting as evidenced by your statement; “It’s sad to see so many Christians fixating their testimonies on secular notions, putting aside the Holy Spirit while concentrating on so called “evidences.” Last time I checked, the Spirit knows all things. So why don’t we put aside the world and gain our convictions through the Spirit?” I was merely using PART of my posting from wikipedia to show that the name/title Jesus Christ wasn’t even used until much later than when Alma (the betrothed young virgin) wrote about it in 73 BC.

    If you had read my testimony (found on this blog) you would know that I was convicted by the Holy Spirit to research what I had been born and raised to believe in the Mormon church. I do not nor have I ever relied or fixated on “secular notions” for my testimony and faith. I have only relied on the Word of God found in the Bible…

    Ya know, Jesus said that we have to come to Him as a child… We have to have faith that He is the only way to everlasting life. What you say are “so called evidences” are what supports and helps us “be ready to give an answer to all men for the hope that is in us” 1 Peter 3:15. The Bible is proveable to ones who don’t know of it or believe it. I am not going to take someone’s word for it… I am going to research it on my own…

    Jesus says in John 5:39,to search the scriptures,and that the scriptures testify about him,not through prayer, Paul in Acts 17:2,3 uses reason to explain and prove Christ from the Scriptures. In 2 Cor 11:4-6, Christians in Berea did not take Apostle’s words for granted but examined the Scripture to see if whether what he preached was truth. It’s not Biblical to pray for whether something is true or not. Any religion can claim that. You cannot know Christ apart from the Word of God.
    FAITH COMES BY HEARING, AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD. Romans 10:17
    The ability to believe is not determined by how i feel when i pray but by the knowledge of truth found in the word of Christ. Truth is unbiased. Feelings are subjective. Knowledge of truth is critical. Acts 17:2,3.
    When something is at stake I want to put may faith in something concrete,objective and unbiased rather than how I feel about it.
    Eternal life is at stake so, your choice.
    John 5:39
    “You search the Scriptures because you think that in
    them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me”
    2 Cor 11:4-6
    “For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. Indeed, I consider that I am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles. Even if I am unskilled in speaking, I am not so in knowledge; indeed, in every way we have made this plain to you in all things.”
    Acts 17:2,3
    And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.”
    Acts 17:10-12
    The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

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