Mormon Dilemma 265

26 May

Forgiveness, None for the Thief of the Cross

Miracle of Forgiveness, pg. 164; Another mistaken idea is that the thief on the cross was forgiven of his sins when the dying Christ answered: “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:43.) These men on the cross were thieves. How could the Lord forgive a malefactor? They had broken laws. There was no doubt of the guilt of the two men, for the one voluntarily confessed their guilt. The Lord cannot save men in their sins but only from their sins, and that only when they have shown true repentance.

Luke 23:39-43; And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

The Mormon Jesus is impotent.  If he can’t save you while you’re still a sinner then why is he a god?

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3 Responses to “Mormon Dilemma 265”

  1. fred May 26, 2012 at 3:29 pm #

    One day you complain that we use words in a different way than you do, and the next day you ignore that difference and make out like we mean the same thing as you do when the same words that you complained about are used.

    Please remember that we believe that all will be saved from the grave, and then the Day of Judgment will determine what your duties in Heaven will be; we will each praise God with different jobs. We will be saved to different Degrees of Glory. You know, the Degrees of Glory thing you say is wrong.

    When I was a Protestant I was taught that Heaven was one big place where we sat around all day and praised God. Hell is where you go if you were not saved. This is the only Degrees of Glory I was taught about.

    So, again, you are mixing apples and oranges. The examples you use are not talking about the same things.

  2. CamdenC May 28, 2012 at 7:15 pm #

    When Jesus was asked, “What must we do to do the works of God?” Jesus answered, “Believe in the One whom He has sent”. The thief on the cross believed that Jesus was Lord, and it was acredited to him as righteousness.

    I know what you believe (I lived it for 26 years). You believe that Paradise is a “holding cell” where the spirits of the dead are taught the LDS version of the gospel. There they will have a chance to accept it or reject it. That is why you perform baptisms for the dead (I got dunked 15 times in a row for dead people when I was 14 years old). Baptism is not necessary for salvation.

    “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved”

    The theif confessed that Jesus was Lord (And he said unto Jesus, Lord) and He believed that it wasn’t the end of Him (remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom)… The thief was saved by belief in the Lord and His future coming Kingdom.

    The only judement that will befall upon the believers is their works. What was the motivation and did they perform any. Deeds not worthy will be burnt up like hay and stubble, righteous deeds of love will be rewarded with crowns… Good works don’t save you, they are an indicator that you are saved.

    We will all be saved from the grave? Where is the motivation in that? Since I know that the LDS believe only the really heinous sinners are going to “outer darkness”, where is the motivation? I mean if you witnessed to a “slacker” that if he didn’t work harder (kingdom wise) he was going to have a lame job in heaven, he probably wouldn’t care. He probably has a lame job and barely works at it here on earth. If you tell someone that their life here on earth could never compare with their future in heaven, that is something to look forward to. That God became a man and died on the cross so that you could one day go to Him and fellowship with Him. Getting to be in the presence of God in an indescribable place!!! That is what the Bible talks about our “assured hope”. What’s the alternative to not following Jesus? Well, there’s that whole “burning lake of fire” thing mentioned in Revelation…

    I know I got off track there just to illustrate something. We Christians love and follow Jesus for what He did for us. We aren’t supposed to believe and follow Him just so we can be saved from the fire. We put our trust in Him that He will direct our paths and He knows the perfect will in our lives…

    We may not know what tomorrow holds, but we know the One who holds tomorrow.

  3. thegardensofboxwoodmanor May 29, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

    Here’s what I read today: We must separate what is from what is possible.
    http://wp.me/pm6bI-ng
    The FINAL ANSWER always is: The Word of God
    Rationalization and/or what is possible. Is what LDS does.

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