Leaders Speak, Thinking is Done – Mormon Quotes

Improvement Era, June 1945; When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan—it is God’s plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy. God works in no other way. To think otherwise, without immediate repentance, may cost one his faith, may destroy his testimony, and leave him a stranger to the kingdom of God.

2 Corinthians 11:19-20For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.  20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.

What about listening to God and His word?  Would that be considered safe or unsafe?

17 Responses to “Leaders Speak, Thinking is Done – Mormon Quotes”

  1. Ezequiel October 8, 2013 at 7:23 pm #

    I have a question for you. Does your church have prophets and apostles as the foundation of Christ church as Paul explained in the bible? Ephesians 2 19-20?

    Another thing, why don t you live your religion and stop blaming the mormon church ? I feel sorry for you, instead of using your time to help other you spend a lot of time of your life talking about the mormon church and its doctrine. You posted articles just the day after conference. Oh man get a life dont you work? don t you have a family to maintain? I really feel sorry for you.

  2. Ezequiel October 8, 2013 at 7:26 pm #

    I also see that my comment is not showing right away. So you don t accept other s people ideas just the ones you belive to be true, it s the same thing you are blaming mormons for. why don t you post my comment I just left a few minutes ago? you liar and coward…

    • LifeAfter October 8, 2013 at 7:58 pm #

      Mr. Martinez –

      First of all, the site is set up to not allow posts to show automatically. This way filthy language and spam can be trashed before it gets posted.
      Secondly, I’ve not lied about anything. That’s a pretty strong accusation with no examples of where I’ve lied or what I’ve lied about.
      Coward? Really? How am I afraid and what am I afraid of Mr. Martinez?
      Know that we’re praying for you – and I mean that with all sincerity.
      Michelle

  3. Ezequiel October 8, 2013 at 7:33 pm #

    I will leave the message again. I ask does your church have prophets and apostles as the foundation of Christ church as stated by paul in ephesians 2 19-20? I also ask, don’t you have a life? come on… you have spent millons of hours getting all this info against mormons and try to talk bad about them all the time. why don’t you spend your time helping others and do good things for people? Don’t you have a family ? Don’t you have a religion to live for? As far as i know mormons don’t spend their time talking abou other religions and creating blogs and web pages in order to talk bad about others.
    I feel sorry for you, I read many of your articles and don t have even good answers and scriptures that help to clarify what you believe. I wanna know more about your church. you only mention that to believe in Christ you are saved that s all I know about your church. That s so simple, life is simple, let s kill, get drunk, live our lives and then say at the very moment of dying that I belive in Christ ‘ grace and i m saved???? you are pathetic and your teachings are pathetic

    • LifeAfter October 8, 2013 at 8:46 pm #

      Ezequiel –

      This ministry – Life After Ministries – is not a church, it’s a ministry.
      This ministry like other ministries is made up of a group of Christians who have come together to explain the differences between Mormonism and Christianity.
      You asked why don’t I get a life…well I have a life and God called me into ministry. He called me to expose the lies of Satan and lead the Mormon people to the real Jesus of the Bible and stop worshiping the Jesus of Mormonism.
      As for me helping others – how do you know that I don’t do this? Why are you attacking me personally?
      If you had spent the time to read why we do this – the testimony section or about us section – you would have known I do in fact have a family but why is this so important to you? What if I didn’t have family? Am I a bad person if I have no relatives?
      As for religion – no I don’t have a religion I live for. I live for Christ and Him crucified. My love, worship and adoration for Him supersedes any organization.
      You said that as far as you know Mormons don’t spend time talking about other religions and creating web pages to talk bad about others…
      How well do you know Mormonism? You see, many times when I receive notes like yours the person is indeed LDS but they hide behind a veneer of accusations, suppositions and personal character assassinations of those who expose the lies.

      The Mormon Church was built upon the premise that all of Christianity is the whore of Babylon – 1 Nephi 14:10. Joseph Smith’s testimony also says that God told him not one single person was worshiping him properly. The Church has sent out 80,000 missionaries according to their prophet Monson to convert people to Mormonism. Many of those converts are already members of other churches so why would they do that if they weren’t out saying bad things about others? Do you know the real history of Mormonism?
      I know that as a Mormon I spent 30 yrs in oblivious ignorance about my heritage. I had no idea the leaders of the Church had degraded the body of Christ the way they did and it shocked me to learn Brigham Young even said Christianity was hatched in hell.

      Journal of Discourses 6:176; “Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth.” – Brigham Young

      D&C 112:23; “Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face.”

      John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 6:167; “There is not nation now that acknowledges that hand of God; there is not a king, potentate, nor ruler that acknowledges his jurisdiction. We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense. Men talk about civilization; but I do not want to say much about that, for I have seen enough of it. Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work that the Christianity of the nineteenth century.”

      Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses 18:172; “But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be. They say, “We have built chapels unto the name of the Lord; we call our Churches Christian Churches, they are called the Church of Christ, St. John’s Church, St. Paul’s Church, St. Peter’s Church, and after others of the ancient Apostles;” and one who had never studied the pattern which God has given of the Christian Church would almost really believe that they are Christian Churches.” – Salt Lake City, March 26, 1876

      Journal of Discourses 2:196-197; “I do not wish to be understood that we are now living in a dark age of the world, but for the last fourteen hundred years the world have been enveloped in darkness, in which wickedness has ruled, and the powers of darkness have prevailed among the children of men, and the nations have been bound down by false traditions, and incorrect principles, but the day has now dawned, the dark clouds have now broken up and soon will pass away, and the sun of righteousness will arise in its glory, and show forth the light of heaven; and for that I am thankful…” – Wilford Woodruff, Salt Lake City, February 25, 1855

      Yes life can be simple when/if we follow the Lord! The Bible is clear, there is no other name given by which we are saved – Acts 4:12 and we are not saved by works – Ephesians 2:8-9. And yes even deathbed confessions can take place! Have you ever read what Jesus said to the thief on the cross? Luke 23:39-45. He hung there dying with no chance of doing good works and Jesus saved him.

      I don’t know what your background is but I do know the Lord Jesus loves you. I do know that He wants all to be saved. Is this the Jesus you know? If not I invite you to accept Him into your heart! http://lifeafter.org/romans-road/

      If you find anything on this site about Mormonism that is wrong let me know and I’ll change it asap. Not agreeing with me doesn’t make it wrong, that means you have a different opinion of the Church than I do. Please provide written documentation refuting what I’ve said on the site.
      know that we’re praying for you!

      With Love in Christ;
      Michelle Grim
      1 Cor 1:18

  4. Ezequiel October 9, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

    Michelle,

    Sorry for being rude before and thanks for your comments, what i still don’t understand is why you spend so much time trying to refute every mormon doctrine and talk bad about the church and its members. Let say i changed religion, and i know many people who did, they don t spend time talking bad about their previous religion, they just try to live their new way of life the best they can. I just don t get it, it seems you are so anger with the mormon church that your purpose in life is trying to prove it wrong. You always mention Christ teachings, i can’t imagine Christ doing what you are doing with the mormon church.

    You have not sharing your comments about ephesians 2 19-20. Paul mentioned that the foundation of Christ’s church was apostles and prophets, you don’t belong to a church? the bible mentions one faith, one Lord, one baptism. there has to be a Church of Christ on the earth today same as it was established in His time with apostles and prophets.

    james mentions faith without works is dead. How do you explain this?

    I really don t get the idea of living a terrible life and then repent at the very moment of dying and you are saved, don t get it at all., so let s say a rapist and assassin rapes and kills all my family and he repents at the last day, yoiu are saying he will be in paradise with a person that lived a whole and clean life and followed Christ always? if you believe in this oh gosh, your teachings are really wrong, so wrong. The Christ that you believe is not fair at all. This way of life is so simple, it makes sense you left the mormon church.

    regards,

    Ezequiel

  5. Ezequiel October 9, 2013 at 2:56 pm #

    Hi Michelle,

    Sorry for being so rude and thanks for answering back. What I still don’t get is why you spend so much time trying to refute mormon doctrine and convince people that the mormon church is wrong. If you changed your way of living and worshipping God , go and live it fully don’t waste time talking bad about your previous religion. Many people changed religions but don’t have a profund hate against their previous religions. I just don’t get it,

    You have not sent any comments to me about Ephesians 2 19-20. Christ’s church foundation was apostles and prophets. where are they now? One Lord, one faith, one baptism as indicated in the bible. There has to be a true church on earth, not many.

    You mentioned your authority was given by Christ. How do you know that? Did He appear to you? As far as I know to be a prophet you have to receive authority from him. Moses did, Abraham did, Paul, Peter, James. What about you? So you are metioning that a Church is not needed nowadays, just believing in Christ. What about baptism? jesus taught about this. Do you guys baptize people in your church or ministry? Do you profess to have authority to do this? I don’t get it

    I also don’t get this. So you are saying that a rapist and assassin that kills and rapes my family and repents at his last day he will be in paradise with Christ with people that lived a good life and followed Him? This is really wrong, so wrong. This way of leaving is so simple and makes your Christ so unfair. He is not a loving Christ, he cannot give the same reward to a rapist and killer and a good person. Don t get it at all

    Regards,

    Ezequiel

    • LifeAfter October 9, 2013 at 5:11 pm #

      Hi Ezequiel –
      Why must I conform to what you think I should do with my life? I don’t know you and even if I did I wouldn’t k now what God wants for you because I’m not God. Only God knows what I should and shouldn’t do with my life.
      As for hating the Church, all I have to say is that you must not have read my testimony or the hundreds of articles I’ve written when I’ve shared the love I have for my people, the Mormons. Just because I don’t agree with them doesn’t mean I profoundly hate them! Oh my goodness I haven’t the time nor desire for such a thing.
      I remember what it was like being a Mormon and feeling that everyone hated me or that they were angry because they didn’t worship the same Jesus I did. I finally came to the realization they weren’t mad but I as a Mormon was mad they had questioned Joseph Smith.
      As for Ephesians 2:19-20 –
      First of all to qualify as an apostle you had to be living at the time of Christ to qualify and either walked with Him during His ministry and/or seen Him immediately following His resurrection. The church is the body of Christ which includes all believers. It’s not an organization or a building – it’s all of us (Christians) combined. And the church was built upon the apostles who lived with Jesus and saw His resurrection. Christians have gone through the world proclaiming and building upon what the apostles saw and taught.
      There’s an excellent article written on this here http://www.letusreason.org/Pent1.htm
      I highly encourage you to read through it and investigate it for yourself – it’s an in-depth study from the Bible explaining why there aren’t apostles today.
      As for prophets –
      There are Christian prophets in the world today. A prophet in the New Testament Era (meaning today) is much different from those who lived before Jesus. The Old Testament prophets prophesied about the coming of the Messiah and relayed messages from God to people on things God wanted His creation to know.
      Since the time of Jesus there is nothing new in that everything was fulfilled in Him. There isn’t anything else for God to reveal because He’s revealed His promise through His Son.
      The job of a prophet today is to proclaim what God has revealed through His Son and His written word that we have now (aka Bible).
      As Paul said in Galatians 1:6-8; “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
      A prophet will not introduce things that are contradictory to what’s already been revealed and they won’t proclaim their gospel or church is the only church. When the apostles took the gospel out to the public at large a group known as the Bereans investigated the claims of the apostles to see if what they said was true – Acts 17:10-12.
      Everyone today should use the example of the Bereans to investigate claims made by people who say they have a message from God.
      I never claimed that I’m a prophet! I’m a Christian who believes the Bible and Jesus. Jesus gave all believers the authority to go out and make disciples of men – Matthew 28:18-20. I’m being obedient in the things Jesus told me to do, therefore I have this ministry.
      The Lord laid a burden on my heart to expose the lies of Mormonism and here I am.
      Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus has to appear to someone and give them the authority to be a prophet?
      As for Abraham, Peter, Paul and James…these men weren’t prophets. Where in the Bible does it say they were prophets?
      I never said churches aren’t needed today. I said the church is known as the body of Christ. All believers make up the church. They may attend different denominations and buildings throughout the world, but all Christians are collectively known as the church.
      As for baptism –
      Of course I believe that all people who believe in Christ Jesus should be baptized! Ministries don’t baptize people. Ministries are in existence to serve the body of Christ – the church. Individual denominations or your local congregation performs baptisms through pastors.
      As for living your entire life in sin and then confess at the end –
      Only God knows the heart of man and if he’s sincere. If that person has raped or murdered or stolen something and he’s sincerely broken at the end of his/her life and repents then yeah, they will be saved.
      Remember your thoughts are not God’s thoughts as His thoughts are higher than yours/mine – Isaiah 55:8.
      What I don’t understand is why many Mormon leaders have a problem with what Jesus taught about this yet they baptized Hitler who murdered 6 million Jews, Ivan the Terrible and King Edward VIII who chopped off his wives’ head. This seems contradictory.
      Can you say in your heart that your sinful thoughts are better or not as bad as a murderer or other sinful people? Jesus said when you become angry you’re guilty of murder in your heart. If you believe you should go to heaven and not them then why? I’m not saying they’re in heaven because I don’t know. I’m not God and I can’t judge their heart or yours or any of the hearts of Mormon leaders.
      What we’re told to do as Christians is to judge all teachings and things to see if it lines up with what God says – 1 Thessalonians 5:21.
      The amazing thing about God is that He is righteous and no one will be in heaven that shouldn’t be and thank You Lord for that!
      Glad to hear back from you Ezequiel!
      Michelle Grim
      1 Cor. 1:18

  6. Ezequiel October 9, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    Another thing, if you are saying that an organization is not neccessarily these days. ok create also a web page refuting all catholic doctrine as well, as well as other christians churches. Why only Mormons? I really feel a profound hate against the mormon church. I m so certain Jesus wouldn’t act like you are acting by doing this. Christ even forgave and did not attack the people that killed him. You are constantly attacking mormon Church. by the way you write and comment you don’t do it with love. You cannot refer to prophets and leaders of the Church as evil, that s not a good way to convince people to join your ministry. Really don t get your teachings. I rather prefer talking to a Catholic or a jehova witness they make more sense than you do. One of the fruit of the spirit is love, i only feel anger and hatred fro you to mormon church.

    • LifeAfter October 9, 2013 at 5:32 pm #

      I didn’t say organized churches are wrong. I said I don’t worship them – I worship inside a building and belong to a church in my area but I don’t worship my church.
      God didn’t call me to be a witness for Him about Catholicism. He called me to be a witness to the Mormons because I was born a sixth generation Mormon in Utah and spent 30 years in the Church. My heart hurts for my people and that doesn’t include just my own relatives, but all Mormons everywhere.
      I left the Church based on the fact that what they teach doesn’t line up with what the Bible says. The Mormon god changed his mind about polygamy which is still listed as an everlasting covenant in D&C 132.
      He changed his mind about the race issue. I don’t know if you’re white, black, Hispanic or Asian but I’m black Welsh and the race issue was a big thing for me personally. For many years God looked down on me because I’m not completely white and all of a sudden he liked me. It didn’t make sense. And why were some people in my family who were still practicing polygamy at the time of the manifesto suddenly wrong? Why did this Mormon god keep changing his mind?
      I’ll be the first to admit Jesus wouldn’t act the way I do. Jesus is God – I’m a sinner. Do I strive to live a godly life? Absolutely! Will I ever be perfect? Absolutely! I’m seen righteous through the eyes of God because He sees His children as being redeemed with the blood of Christ.
      So in the New Testament did Jesus refute the false teachings of the day or not?
      It’s not the Mormon people I’m “attacking”. I’m confronting Mormon doctrines. I know it’s hard but you and other Mormons are not Mormon doctrine. You’re an actual person, not some rule that’s been written down on a piece of paper.
      You may not think it’s a good way to do things by pointing out doctrines of the Church but you’re not me and I’m not you. God called me to this work and I trust that He knows what He’s doing.
      The leaders of the church have proven their teachings are evil. Are they in heaven? Who knows? Only God judges the heart – not me, not you, not your neighbor. Only God. We are directed by Him through His word to evaluate all things and expose false teachings – Jude 1:3-4.
      We’re praying for you Ezequiel!
      Michelle
      1 Cor 1:18

  7. Ezequiel October 9, 2013 at 3:23 pm #

    Please explain to me fully James chapter 2 about faith without works.

    • LifeAfter October 9, 2013 at 5:38 pm #

      Ezequiel –

      Yep, faith without works is dead absolutely! Have you read all of James 2? What about Ephesians 2:8-9?
      The key here though is what else is needed. Do you know? It’s the Holy Spirit! God living inside me (1 Cor 3:16, John 14:16-19) prompts me to do good works. If I’m not doing good things and only saying yeah it’ll be okay then I’d be wrong.
      Because Jesus died, shed His blood for me on the cross, I am saved. After I’m already saved then I go out an do good works. I can’t earn salvation because it was already taken care of because of Jesus.

  8. Ezequiel October 9, 2013 at 3:24 pm #

    PLease explain to me james chapter 2 fully. I want to understand your position about faith without works.

  9. Ezequiel October 9, 2013 at 3:25 pm #

    Could you please explain James chapter 2 to me fully? I want to understand your position about faith without works. Thanks!

  10. Ezequiel October 10, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

    Hi Michelle,

    Thanks for your comments.

    I read the article about no need for new revelation and prophets and apostles. What about before the coming of Christ? Old testament time, was the gospel of Christ established on the earth? were there prophets on the earth? so you don’t consider Moses, Abraham, Adam prophets? Didn’t they talk to God face to face? I believe that the world changes and We are in need of continuous revelation, I don’t feel the bible has all we need for our salvation. It has gone through so many changes through time. who guarantees you that all that is in the bible has not been changed by people unauthorized? Why are there so many different versions of the bible with doctrines changes? who told you the bible you use is the correct one?

    One example of the Bible is why in James chapter 2 talks all the chapter about faith without works is dead and then other parts of the bible talks about only grace that you are saved. How do you explain this? Which verse is correct? don’t you think that they might be missing information in some parts?

    Modern time is different than the bible time, drugs, pornography, gambling, there are many things that did not exist at that time. I firmly believe that God continues to talk to authorized Men to lead his people on earth.

    You always talk about a mormon changing God, what about the law of moses? when Christ came to the earth,this law was fullfilled and Jesus started to preach new things to them, that s why they were all angry with him. Why did God give the law of Moses to the israelites if he would afterward change it?

    I respect your beliefs but I don’t think Christ will let you think that yo are a way to bring Mormons to the thruth by exposing all they do wrong, going through every doctrine and trying to refute it, including temple ordinances which are sacred to them by posting videos from this so called noah? he even shows the middle finger doing the f.. word inside the temple. This guy does not have a life and does not respect other beliefs by pretending he is a Mormon to enter in the temple, and you agree to expose his videos in your web. That does not talk very good about you guys.

  11. LifeAfter October 11, 2013 at 3:30 am #

    Hi Ezequiel –
    To make our correspondence easier for me I copied your response and will be posting my answers in between your questions.

    Hi Michelle,
    Thanks for your comments.
    I read the article about no need for new revelation and prophets and apostles. What about before the coming of Christ?

    This is what I meant and what the article was referring to about the OT times vs NT times. In OT times God sent prophets to speak for Him.

    Old testament time, was the gospel of Christ established on the earth?

    How could it be? Jesus hadn’t been born yet!

    were there prophets on the earth?

    I already answered that.

    so you don’t consider Moses, Abraham, Adam prophets?

    Of course I consider Moses to be a prophet! Abraham wasn’t a prophet and neither was Adam. Who did Adam prophesy to and what would he have prophesied about? God hadn’t told Adam about the coming promise. No one knew about that until Abraham.

    Didn’t they talk to God face to face?

    The Bible says that Moses did – Exodus 33:11.
    The Bible also says that God spoke with Adam in Genesis 2:16-17 and with Eve in 3:13.

    I believe that the world changes and We are in need of continuous revelation, I don’t feel the bible has all we need for our salvation.

    Why is that Ezeqiel? What causes concern for you in this manner? If God is powerful could He not be powerful enough to provide you with the things you need to know today just as He did back in the days of Adam?
    What is missing in the Bible making it insufficient to be your source of comfort or guidance today?
    What message of needing more things for salvation is missing from the Bible?
    What else must we do if Jesus gave His life to pay for our sins?

    It has gone through so many changes through time.

    Specifically what changes are you referring to? What sections and/or books, chapters, sentences are missing?

    who guarantees you that all that is in the bible has not been changed by people unauthorized?

    I, just like countless other Christians, study it to learn what parts of the Bible were written and when. I’ve studied what language certain parts have been written in, etc. Granted, there are no original scrolls available but there are many copies of the original that have been preserved authenticating its existence and its trustworthiness.
    The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls was another fantastic piece of evidence showing us that 99% of the Bible we use today is scripturally pure. It proves the Bible is the same text they were using as far back as in Jesus’ time (the OT – not the NT). The text we do have for the New Testament can be verified with many scrolls from the apostolic era.
    You can read more on how to test the authenticity of scripture in a series we have on the site here:
    http://lifeafter.org/testing-for-truth/
    http://lifeafter.org/testing-for-truth-2/
    http://lifeafter.org/testing-for-truth-3/

    Why are there so many different versions of the bible with doctrines changes?

    Well not everyone in the world speaks 1611 English Ezequiel. English is my native tongue but not 1611 Elizabethan English which is what the KJV is written in.
    Yes, there are almost as many versions of the Bible as there are languages and God has laid it on the hearts of His children to translate the Bible into many languages from the scrolls we have available. I have a friend who speaks several languages and he works at the American Bible Society so he can translate the Bible into some of the languages people speak in India which is where he’s from. It’s a very methodical process that isn’t done by just one person but by a team of experts who are very fluent in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and whatever language/s they’re fluent in.
    There will always be many versions of bibles that come out to trick and mislead people who corrupt the Bible and add or subtract doctrinal lessons of God.
    It’s our job as Christians to investigate what we read and know with a certainty that what we’re reading is trustworthy. Likewise, it’s equally important to investigate claims of people who say the Bible has been corrupted.
    So I ask you Ezequiel, what doctrines are missing? How do you know this and where is the proof this happened?

    who told you the bible you use is the correct one?

    To be honest with you I used to believe the Bible was corrupted and when I left Mormonism, accepted Jesus into my heart and began going to another church I asked the pastor where I could find information on the trustworthiness of the Bible. So then I went and either bought books or borrowed them and read and studied what language experts had to say about the translation process of the Bible. I speak a few different languages (not all fluently) but I do understand there are differences in sentence structures, voice, tense, mood, etc. From there I began studying the history of the Bible, where it came from, how it got to where it is today, etc.
    Ironically, the books I read that said the Bible was untrustworthy all had something in common. They didn’t believe Jesus could save them and they didn’t believe God created the universe and man, etc, by Himself.

    One example of the Bible is why in James chapter 2 talks all the chapter about faith without works is dead and then other parts of the bible talks about only grace that you are saved. How do you explain this? Which verse is correct? don’t you think that they might be missing information in some parts?

    The Bible is a collection of letters written by different men as the Lord prompted them individually. So if the Apostle Paul is talking about grace in one chapter of the Bible and James talks about works in another chapter, that doesn’t mean they’re contradicting each other. It means they’re talking about different subject matters.
    In Romans 3:28 when Paul talks about justification by faith he’s talking about how someone becomes a Christian. James is telling us what a Christian’s faith looks like. The Christian is acting on faith, therefore he does good works. Our salvation is a gift to us from God (Ephesians 2:8-9) and our works is a manifestation of our faith in action – it is the natural growth of faith.
    When the Holy Spirit comes to reside inside us at the time we accept Jesus into our hearts we are a new creature – 2 Cor 5:17. His Spirit inside us prompts us to have a new attitude and do good works. As Paul says in Galatians 5:22-23, the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, etc…these things are the manifestation of our changed heart.

    Modern time is different than the bible time, drugs, pornography, gambling, there are many things that did not exist at that time.

    Ah, that isn’t true Ezequiel! They had drugs and alcohol; they had sex temples and prostitution. Have you heard of Rahab or Tamar?
    Gambling was actually done at the foot of the cross while Jesus hung there and died. The Roman soldiers gambled with dice for His clothing – this was actually prophesied about in Psalm 22:18. Also read Mark 15:24.

    I firmly believe that God continues to talk to authorized Men to lead his people on earth.

    The Bible tells us that He does talk to us. “Authorized”? Where does it say someone has to go through an authorization process?

    You always talk about a mormon changing God, what about the law of moses? when Christ came to the earth,this law was fullfilled and Jesus started to preach new things to them, that s why they were all angry with him.
    Jesus didn’t change or make up new laws. He came to fulfill the Law and explain to the people that God kept His promise to the Israelites. And you’re right – they were furious and they were mad because He told them He was God. – John 8:58. The Law was fulfilled when Jesus died and rose again. Read Jesus’ words in John 19:30 when He said “It is finished”.

    Why did God give the law of Moses to the israelites if he would afterward change it?

    As noted before – God didn’t change the Law of Moses; He fulfilled it through Jesus.

    I respect your beliefs but I don’t think Christ will let you think that yo are a way to bring Mormons to the thruth by exposing all they do wrong, going through every doctrine and trying to refute it, including temple ordinances which are sacred to them by posting videos from this so called noah?

    I understand you don’t approve of the way I do things and I realize that you and many other Mormons find it offensive. I remember having the same reaction as a Mormon when Christians told me the truth about the Bible.

    I do commend you Ezequiel. It’s rare that I come across a Mormon who acts nice even with the difference of opinion. I encourage you to read your bible though and find all the wonderful things God has to show you about Himself! I’m positive you’ll be amazed!
    We’re praying for you Ezequiel!

    With Love in Christ;
    Michelle Grim
    1 Cor 1:18

  12. Ezequiel October 11, 2013 at 3:13 pm #

    Hi Michelle,

    Ok, I will read the bible more deeply. I thank you for your time and effort to explain all this to me. But I do believe the Mormon church is true. It has brought happiness to me and my family and kids. I understand in a way your feelings about the church specifically in Utah, I was an lds missionary in Utah but i m from Argentina. Sometimes people may be rude to other that are not mormons. It will be hard for me to live there again as the church in Argentina , may be the hispanic are different in treating or talking about other s poeple religions.

    I came across to many people against the church in Utah. i understand their feelings in some way, but dont agree to expose and create web pages or even go to general conference to show how incorrect they are. As fas as I know you guys in USA have the rights to worship what you believe to be true and are free to do so.

    It was nice talking to you and i’ll pray for you as well.

    May God bless you.

    Ezequiel

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