False Prophecies of Joseph Smith

26 May

Jesus Crucified for Sins

D&C 53:2; “Behold, I, the Lord, who was crucified for the sins of the world, give unto you a commandment that you shall forsake the world.”

Revelation given in Kirtland, OH in June 1831. History of the Church 1:179-180.

As mentioned many times before, this contradicts D&C 19:18 and the Church holds fast to this teaching today (2012). 

Also see D&C 21:9, 35:2, 46:13 & 76:41 for other times Smith used the phrase “Jesus crucified for sins”.

 

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6 Responses to “False Prophecies of Joseph Smith”

  1. fred May 26, 2012 at 3:56 pm #

    18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—
    (Doctrine and Covenants 19:18‎)‎

    I do not see a conflict; please explain why you believe there to be one.

  2. CamdenC May 28, 2012 at 5:55 pm #

    The conflict arises in that the LDS say that Jesus paid for the sins of the world in the Garden when He sweat blood from every pore of His body.

    The truth is Jesus wasn’t taking on the sins and paying for them in the Garden. He was still in fellowship with the Father during and after the Garden. When Peter struck the servant and cut off his ear, Jesus miraculously healed the servant and He told Peter that He could call down 12 legions of angels to protect Himself. If He had taken on the sins of all mankind in the Garden, He would BE sin and seperated from the Father.

    Jesus was in so much anguish in the Garden for the very fact that He knew what was coming… For the first time in eternity, He would be seperated from the Father by becoming sin for us. That is why He was asking the Father, in the Garden, if the cup could be passed and if there was any other way. His human body was reacting to the foreknowledge of both the gruesome torture and pain associated with the scourging and the crucifixion, but mostly for the impending seperation from the Father through sin.

    “My God, my God… why hast thou forsaken me?!” (Psalm 22)

    When He was done with the physical anguish caused by His foreknowledge of what was to come, He offered Himself up to the Roman/temple guards fully ready to have the sins of mankind poured upon Him as a sacrafice for our sin.

  3. fred May 29, 2012 at 2:00 am #

    Camden,
    I still see no conflict in the things brought up by LAM. What she said may have brought up what you spoke about, but I do not see them being the same thing.

    On to what you said about our teachings. It is not true.
    – – –
    It is true that members of the Church have historically included the garden of Gethsemane as playing a role in Jesus’ saving act. Some have emphasized it, perhaps in reaction to the emphasis on the cross alone in other Christian denominations.

    The garden and the cross

    However, even that emphasis, were it the sole message of the Church (and it is not) does not exclude the cross. Note, for example, this excerpt from the Christmas message of Gordon B. Hinckley, past President of the Church:
    We honor His birth. But without His death that birth would have been but one more birth. It was the redemption which He worked out in the Garden of Gethsemane and upon the cross of Calvary which made His gift immortal, universal, and everlasting. His was a great Atonement for the sins of all mankind. He was the resurrection and the life, “the firstfruits of them that slept” (1 Corinthians 15:20). Because of Him all men will be raised from the grave.[1]
    Other statements by Elder Bruce McConkie, who is sometimes used as evidence for this criticism, show he was not as one-sided as critics imply:
    And now, as pertaining to this perfect atonement, wrought by the shedding of the blood of God—I testify that it took place in Gethsemane and at Golgotha, and as pertaining to Jesus Christ, I testify that he is the Son of the Living God and was crucified for the sins of the world. He is our Lord, our God, and our King.”[2]
    The official training booklet sent out with missionaries includes this statement:
    The Atonement included His suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane as well as His suffering and death on the cross.[3]
    As a fourth example, consider something that recently came from the Church press:
    Jesus’ atoning sacrifice took place in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the cross at Calvary. In Gethsemane, He began to take upon himself the sins of the world…. The Savior continued to suffer for our sins when He allowed Himself to be crucified.[4]
    The importance of Gethsemane in the scriptures

    Gethsemane does present some interesting problems. Critics reject it in part because it is only mentioned twice in the New Testament (Matthew 26:36 and Mark 14:32). While this may be so, the events that transpired there are mentioned also in the other two gospels. In other words, all four gospel writers felt it important enough to include it in their ‘memoirs.’ In John 18:1 it is reported that Christ and His disciples “often resorted thither.” Luke 22:39 tells us that He went there, “as he was wont” (compare Luke 19:29 and Luke 21:37, the latter of which says He spent the ‘nights’ on Mount Olive). This was apparently a special place for them to seek solitude, a private place to seek their Father in prayer. It is evident from the commentaries written on the various gospels that the exact purpose of the experience is not well understood. We don’t need to go into the events verse by verse, but there are some things that need to be noted. Despite the importance the Lord places on prayer in general, there are only a few places where He is actually depicted as doing so; this prayer in Gethsemane is one of them147. Furthermore, there are few places in the New Testament where He is depicted as being ‘strengthened’ by an angel (Matthew 4:11). The experience in the Garden is one of them (Luke 22:43, an angel to strengthen him during His prayer). There are others who have also commented on the singularity of this experience, and attributed it, at least in part, to the atonement.
    http://en.fairmormon.org/Jesus_Christ/Atonement/The_garden_and_the_cross

  4. fred May 29, 2012 at 2:08 am #

    Camden,
    It is worthwhile to note that Latter-day Saints make frequent reference to Christ’s sacrifice on the cross in their Sacrament hymns:
    Hymn 171, With Humble Heart: “Help me remember, I implore, Thou gavst thy life on Calvary.”
    Hymn 172, In Humility Our Savior: “Let me not forget, O Savior, Thou didst bleed and die for me when Thy heart was stilled and broken on the cross at Calvary.”
    Hymn 174, While of these Emblems We Partake: “For us the blood of Christ was shed; For us on Calvary’s cross He bled…”
    Hymn 177, Tis Sweet To Sing the Matchless Love: “For Jesus died on Calvary, that all through him might ransomed be.”
    Hymn 178, O Lord of Hosts: “salvation purchased on that tree for all who seek thy face.”
    Hymn 181, Jesus of Nazareth, Savior and King: “Jesus of Nazareth, Savior and King, Our thoughts to thee are led, in reverence sweet. Bruised, broken, torn for us, on Calvary’s hill.”
    Hymn 182, We’ll Sing All Hail to Jesus’ Name: “We’ll sing all hail to Jesus name…to him that bled on Calvary’s hill, And died that we might live.”
    Hymn 184, Upon the Cross at Calvary: “Upon the cross at Calvary, they crucified our Lord, and sealed with blood the sacrifice that sanctified his word. Upon the cross he meekly died, for all mankind to see that death unlocks the passageway into eternity. Upon the cross our Savior died, but, dying brought new birth through resurrection’s miracle to all the sons of earth.”
    Hymn 185, Reverently and Meekly Now: “With my blood that dripped like rain, sweat in agony of pain, with my body on the tree, I have ransomed even thee…Oh remember what was done, that the sinner might be won. On the cross of Calvary, I have suffered death for thee.”
    Hymn 190, In Memory of the Crucified: “Our Savior in Gethsemane shrank not to drink the bitter cup. And then, for us, on Calvary, upon the cross was lifted up.”
    Hymn 191, Behold the Great Redeemer Die: “Behold the great Redeemer die… They pierce his hands and feet and side; And with insulting scoffs and scorns, they crown his head with plaited thorns. Although in agony he hung… his high commission to fulfill, He magnified his Father’s will.”
    Hymn 193, I Stand All Amazed: “I stand all amazed at the love Jesus offers me, confused at the grace that so fully he proffers me. I tremble to know that for me he was crucified, that for me, a sinner, he suffered he bled and died…I think of his hands pierced and bleeding to pay the debt! Such mercy, such love, and devotion can I forget? No, no, I will praise and adore at the mercy seat, until at the glorified throne I kneel at his feet…Oh it is wonderful that he should care for me, enough to die for me. Oh it is wonderful… wonderful to me.”
    Hymn 196, Jesus, Once of Humble Birth: “Jesus once of humble birth, now in glory comes to earth…Once upon the cross he bowed, Now his chariot is the cloud. Once he groaned in blood and tears, now in glory he appears.”
    Hymn 197, O Savior, Thou Wearest a Crown.: “O Savior, thou who wearest a crown of piercing thorn, the pain thou meekly bearest, weighed down by grief and scorn. The soldiers mock and flail thee; for drink they give thee gall; Upon the cross they nail thee to die, O king of all.”

    These hymns are sung every Sunday as the Sacrament is being prepared. It should be obvious that Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross is a central focus.
    ibid

  5. thegardensofboxwoodmanor May 29, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    BUT-they haven’t changed the doctrine, just like on the blacks and polygamy. They can call it all what they want in the hymns,news,etc. BUT the doctrine,BOM, etc. remains unchanged and contradictory with itself. They just can’t give outward appearances of Christianity and truly have the doctrine unchanged. The mask is on, that’s all it is.

    That is what we are showing you. You can’t see it because you aren’t looking objectively at Christianity…read more off the LDS…take a complete break from LDS and got talk to some Christian pastors for a while. Ask them what you’ve asked here…

  6. shematwater May 30, 2012 at 7:05 am #

    GARDEN

    “read more off Mainstream Christianity…take a complete break from Mainstream Christianity and go talk to some LDS missionaries for a while. Ask them what you’ve asked here…”

    The rest of your post makes no sense in the context of this thread.

    FRED

    I think they are saying that D&C 53: 2 contradicts 19: 18 because one focuses on the cross and the other on the Garden. What they don’t understand is that the greatest actually suffering occured in the Garden, but the final atonement and payment for sins occured on the cross. Thus he was crucified for the sins of the world, but he endured the pain and suffering for those sins in the Garden.

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