Exit Story of Lee Baker

09 April


Lee & KathyAs a former Mormon Bishop and member of the Church for over 32 years, I have come to know the Lord Jesus Christ. He had placed before my wife and I five years of spiritual and emotional trials, so that we may better know His grace.

The most enlightening and rewarding action a member of the Mormon Faith can do is precisely what they have been told to do: “Study the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and the teachings of the Prophets of the Restoration”. From my personal family experience, one of the most dangerous elements of coming to know that the LDS Church is false, and certainly the most treacherous long-term effect of this knowledge, is the thought that, if I was wrong about the LDS Faith, is it possible that I have also been deceived by Christianity itself?. I know the discouraging and depressing fear well from considering that as I had been so thoroughly deceived, maybe I encouraged the deception by my own deep desire for it to be true.

When one leaves the LDS Church, based on a confident witness that the very Doctrine of that Church is not in harmony with the teachings of Jesus Christ, that realization and the action that one takes on behalf of that commitment is only the first step to a closer more personal (and certainly a more correct) relationship with Jesus Christ. Exposing the malice in Mormonism is not the verification that Christianity itself is wrong, only that the Mormon’s distorted version of Christianity is wrong. In fact, it is the exceptionally tender and legitimate teachings of Christ Himself that will expose the enormous errors. These very teachings, chief among them; His Atonement for us, not Brigham Young’s teaching of Blood Atonement, His Grace , and not just the good works of the Mormon Pioneers, that stand as the example of His divine Mission on our behalf. The fact remains that if we, as former Mormons, were blinded for a time and yet remained believers in Him, then we have lost nothing, for He never left us and we never left Him. His guidance for us was only momentarily distorted by the teachings of Mormonism.

I have spent many years in various Leadership positions of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, documenting, verifying and studying, specifically, the original teachings of the Church. I have found many of the most fundamental of these teachings to be completely out of harmony with the Lord’s teachings in the Bible.

To my former Mormon Brothers and Sisters, my testimony is this: that Jesus is the Christ and that we need not worship Him from behind the dark shadows of men who would have us believe that He is individually the author of Polygamy, Polyandry, Blood Atonement, Lying for the Lord, or a myriad of other personally motivated corruptions. He wants a direct and very personal relationship with each of us, as He has ransomed our sins. Not through a maze of changing doctrines or through the endless layers of administrative officers and clerks or executive church officials, committees, counsels or presidencies. He wants you to truly know Him. Know that a sweet and spiritually fulfilling relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ awaits you as you discard the teachings unique to Mormonism. Read and study all the Mormon Doctrine and Teachings you can, and then ask your Bishop if you get confused. By this you will come to know the Lord.

I have documented my forced excommunication from the Mormon Faith by asking questions and searching for the truth in: Mormonism – A Life Under False Pretenses – The True Story of a Mormon Bishop’s Journey of Discovery.

Lee & Kathy BakerIn my book, I discuss the fundamental difference that sets the Mormon Church apart from all truly Christian churches—the sinister and self-serving distortion of the very personality and character of the Lord Jesus Christ. For Mormonism to be true, Christ Himself must be corrupted into one who authorized horrible behavior and thus rendered the past Mormon Prophets completely blameless concerning the motivations of their unspeakable actions.

Defense of these disgusting misrepresentations of the very nature and character of the Lord continues today within the walls of Mormon chapels and Mormon temples throughout the world. My book examines real-world examples of how these beliefs are covered up so that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is able to hide better among true believers in the compassionate Savior of all mankind, Christ Jesus. In Mormonism He and His holy name have been disgracefully used so that self-centered men could gain some measure of power, prestige, and perversion.

This book recounts the true-life experiences of my life as a Mormon Bishop, who for over thirty years was a High Priest, Elders Quorum President, and a member of three High Councils for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Mormons. I have participated in hundreds of Mormon Temple Endowments and witnessed firsthand the practice of ceremonial rituals in which the taking of human life was mimicked, all in the name of Jesus Christ.

If you would like a copy of my book, Mormonism – A Life Under False Pretenses – The True Story of a Mormon Bishop’s Journey of Discovery, it is available at amazon.com and at fatherspress.com.

Most Sincerely and in Christ’s Holy Name, Lee B. Baker


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36 Responses to “Exit Story of Lee Baker”

  1. R Rubins August 11, 2013 at 12:01 am #

    I would be interested to know why you decided to leave the frying pan (Mormonism) and enter the fire (Christianity) without considering getting out of the kitchen.

    • Lee Baker August 11, 2013 at 2:19 am #

      Dear R. Rubins,

      Actually, as the frog in hot water, slowly coming to a boil… I thought I was already in the fire of Christianity when my delayed education caught-up with me and we realized that Mormonism was not Christianity. So, simple answer is that I had from an early age trusted the Bible and Christ, but lost my way falling for the “Restoration” story when nothing needed to be restored at all… only re-read and re-applied to a lost life. It was the identification and application of non-Christian teaching that brought me to my feet. So… I understand your question but I do not feel that I ever left Christ nor did He leave me… only that I came to know the true non-Christian doctrine of Mormonism. Thanks for asking, Lee

    • Jim November 4, 2013 at 5:44 pm #

      Mr baker, would love to talk sometime when your not busy, I am a current active LDS member with doubts and questions and need someone to talk with that will answer questions. Thanks for your time, don’t want to leave personal info as you could understand, so plz tell me how I can reach you through phone or email if possible, thx again…from a brother in Christ

    • Gilberto Velazquez March 5, 2015 at 12:28 am #

      Poor Mr. Baker He claims of have been in the church for 30 years then been in the position of Bishop but he then claims that he did not knowing the teachings of the church and tit’s doctrines besides he claims he came to know the real jesus from the bible , very interisting lies did not he read the bible before? where was he all this time? to be withdrawn by a guy that asked him if he know that joseph smith had done more than jesus christ. He lies in this again if you check the comment about it made by john Taylor you will find that it reads “Joseph Smith, the prophet and seer of the lord. Has done more. save jesus only, for the salvation of Men in this world,than any other man that ever lived in it” the full comment is found in Doctrine and covenants 135:3 and registered in the history of the church volume 6 from pages 629 to 631 then he goes on to say that evangelicals know more than Mormons about the Mormon doctrine or that we don’t know what we don’t know what a dishonest person that’s why he is out of the church to begin with for dishonest did he not? he just admitted to have lied to a young man now he claims with arrogance that he was in a high position as a Bishop Bishops are no more than a regular member vested with there position of Bishop , nothing special as he claim nor the stake high council either so don’t let him presume to you guys . then he goes on to diminish the line of authority from God( Priesthood) has he ever asked him self under which authority was he re baptized in the christian community , who ordained the minister who baptized him or where did the minister got the priesthood from aren’t evangelicals apostate Catholics? with out offense that’s what the Catholics considered them as, now did he forget that the catholic. he totally forgot the restoration of the priesthood . Now if he denies the restoration of the church (the LDS church) then he must admit that the church of JesusChrist . the original church never fell away from the truth and the true church would be the Catholic church not the protestants under which he got re baptized he is lost from which ever angle that he argue. he is a liar and that you will see eventually.He lost touch with the spirit of the lord Jesus Christ for disobedient, ignorant of the doctrine and for been too bussy as he states and above all for pride full lossing the focus forgetting his relation with the lord jesus Christ . i don’ blame him i have gone thru similar things as he went thrugh i left the church because i stopped focusing on Christ, started criticizing the churh and it’s people and begun doughting about the doctrine and after a miserably period i was humbled by God so researched all church doctrine an gained a big conviction but i was heading the same direction as Lee . so i guess instead of he openig his eyes he got blinded just like Judas who once walked with Christ , no doubt about it . please make sure Le Baker Receives My comment Thanks.

    • Karen July 27, 2015 at 9:22 pm #

      Rod and I have often wondered how you and Kathy have been. I sure didn’t expect to read your exit story. I’m sorry we lost touch so many years ago.
      Rod and Karen Roberts
      From Augsburg, W. Germany

    • Glenn Halbert October 14, 2015 at 9:11 pm #

      Lee can I call you

    • julie December 9, 2015 at 4:53 pm #

      i have a question. Were there other peoples living in North America according to Mormonism?
      If Moroni was the last Nephite, shouldnt we all be black?

    • Amravin de Schur May 22, 2016 at 4:05 pm #

      Dear Bishop Baker, I am quite thankful for the work you do in trying to explain a development in a religion done wrong that stole many years of people’s lives including my own. The situation is weird, because it is difficult to relate to the Mormons after I found out their history in eugenics and racial engineering gone wrong. As far as I can tell as a person of color, the Mormons first tried to exclude other races from their inbreed, after which they degenerated their race into the formation of the Fumarase Dysfunction. My problem is, why are the LDS General Authorities not warning converts to Mormonism against the risks of miscegenation with them. Even cigarettes nowadays are given out with a health warning. Thank you for your courtesy response.

  2. Jim November 4, 2013 at 5:46 pm #

    mr baker, would love to talk sometime and get real answers to questions

    • Lee Baker November 4, 2013 at 6:32 pm #


      Email me at leebbaker@hotmail.com and I will pass my phone and other contact information.

      Your Brother in Christ, Lee

    • Gilberto Velazquez March 5, 2015 at 12:56 am #

      sorry for all the mistakes in the writing i’m doing it too fast any way the reason i came back to church and i di not even considered joining other group is because i found that the true church can not be fount anywhere else but the lds church, and that because of the apearences of Angels to me while i was fighting the church, and because i researched all the the history of it and not only that i went through all the history of Cristianity and found no solid Fundaments to claim that the original church of jesus christ continued on earth after the death of the apostles, i researched the protestants the Catholics doctrines and concluded that in fact the only thru church with out argument was and is The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints so i had to give up my pride My weaknesses i saw Angels if some one doubts that’s fine with me but they exist and communicate with humans but by the same token the Devil visited me several times just in case that you are thinking that i needed to try the spirits ,, there was not need for that i experienced the big difference from one to another . day and night difference.so here i stand a 30 year convinced latter day saint not blinded just by feelings in the bosom but a true researcher so. ex bishop baker watch out test the spirits if you still have some strength left o hope the moderation of the site permits my comments as well as the other peioples

  3. Jessica January 18, 2014 at 2:02 am #

    Throughout my life I have known a handful of Mormons, but have never known much about the religion. I have always had such great respect for who they are “as people”. Always knowing them to be genuinely good hearted , moral, hard working, conservatives with close and loving families. Seems like the perfect life. Oddly, I never considered turning Mormon because I always felt I wasn’t a good enough “person”. Until 3 weeks ago I could not even tell you who Joseph Smith was or anything about Mormonism. After many hours of studying it, reading The Triple and viewing all the history I could find…….Honestly, it broke my heart and I am not even Mormon. I am so proud of you and your wife for having the strength to walk away and follow what you knew was right in your hearts. I don’t think most people have that kind of courage for fear of standing alone. Thank you so much for sharing your stories and experiences with us. I have not been a member of a church for more than 23 years, but think that genuine people like yourself could teach us a great deal. You have inspired me, thank you. Jessica

  4. Lee B Baker January 18, 2014 at 4:24 pm #

    Dear Jessica,

    Thank you for your kind words. The compassion and understanding of others like you, has been a great strength to us. Kathy and I, have each other and a strong relationship with the Lord in large part, because of the many Christians who reflected the Light and Love of the True Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    What cannot be seen by the public from outside of the Mormon Community (who, for the most part as you have correctly stated) are very kindhearted, caring and authentic, is the spiteful character of the Leadership of that Church in private. The enormous gulf you have witnessed, which we have crossed over, is the astonishing difference between the “Functional Mormon Life” and the “Factual Mormon Doctrine”.

    For the General Membership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, when the two collide and are then forced to be either accepted or overlooked, Praise be to God for those Christians who are there to catch us, teach us and love us. It is much more an expression of His Plan and Your Faithfulness… than a demonstration of our character.

    Thank you… for being you.

    Lee and Kathy Baker – Former Mormon Bishop and member of the LDS Church for 32 years.

  5. chilton miller February 10, 2014 at 3:17 am #

    Do you still believe that God, Christ and the Holy Ghost are three seperate beings?
    How do you belive polygamy was justified in old testament times?
    Why do you still belive in the Bible when its own orgins are just as shakey with real historic facts as the book of mormon?

    I am a member, i obviosly have doubts or would not be looking at this website. But i would like to know what you think about these questions. thank you

  6. Lee B Baker February 11, 2014 at 3:10 am #

    Dear Chilton,

    Thank you for your comments. First, Kathy and I do not believe that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are seperate beings, we have believe in the Trinity as detailed on this site and on others like gotquestions.org. After Mormonism, we read and reread the Word of God about polygamy and found that it was never, not once Commanded by God as the Mormons believe and teach.

    The Bible has a documented history of its accuracy within thousands of manuscripts, when the Book of Mormon does not have even one… and as most who have been Mormon, I have several copies of the versions of the Book of Mormon from 1830 to the present day and there are many changes within those versions that alter Doctrine… no version or translation of the Bible has ever changed Doctrine. Within both the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covanants the Mormon Church are major changes in Doctrine, there is no comparison to the linguistic versions of the Bible. See D&C 132 (printed in 1876) and D&C 101:4 (printed in 1835) for only one example (same statement in History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 411 bottom of the page), for within these two Scriptures in your Ward Libriary today… one states that the Church did NOT practice polygamy and the other Scripture states that they DO. Let me know if you would like a full listing of all the changes to Doctrine. Thank you again for your time. Lee

  7. Jackie April 16, 2014 at 4:23 pm #

    Mr. Baker

    I was curious as to how one would begin the process of leaving the church? I heard on one of your talks how your leaving wasn’t so simple. Of coarse you having been a bishop, I can’t even begin to imagine. I’m a member, and until now I haven’t found the way out. Because of my fear of negative reaction. I stay because the few people I’ve met in my new ward have been great to my family. We’re new to our town. And it is a small town. But I never felt the doctrine was true, or that Joseph Smith was whom the missionaries depicted. But I guess the church came in my life when I needed something to remind me who Christ is. I’m grateful, but feel obligated to the church. That feels wrong. Can one simply quietly walk away? Thanks for listening?!

    • Lee Baker November 6, 2014 at 3:17 pm #

      Dear Jackie,

      Wow, you have brought back so many similar feelings that Kathy and I have had only 6 years ago. You can and should quietly walk away… for if you do not, you will be in direct contrast to what you have come to know through the Spirit of Truth and your relationship with Christ is much more valuable than your embarrassment or if you are to be ostracized as so many of have been, but even in that your actions and your feelings are Biblical as we take upon us the True name of Christ. Stay strong and follow the Lord of a Man. Write back if you ever need more support and you need to locate a non-Denomination Church which teaches only from the Bible, the good followers will help so much with your transition and re-birth into Christ.

  8. Clay May 20, 2014 at 5:25 am #

    Lee, I am some who has a heart for witnessing to mormons seeing as i have a ton of friends who are in mormonism and it just breaks my heart at how much they are being deceived. Would it be possible for you to send me the 10 page packet PDF file that you constructed based on the Section 132 of the D&C about the administration of Polygamy? you gave it out at the concerned Christians gathering in Phoenix AZ and unfortunately i was unable to attend and obtain one! If you send me one that would be amazing!! thank you for all you do, continue to bring the truth to where it needs to be brought!


    • Lee Baker November 6, 2014 at 3:20 pm #

      Clay, Thank You so very much for your support and your heart for the Mormons. Please take a look at the collection of documents and slides at leebaker.4mormon.org or send me your email and I will send you the best collection of links and documents. My email is leebbaker@hotmail.com Blessings for your Faith in Christ. Lee

  9. Nephi Adam May 30, 2014 at 10:09 pm #

    When I read the stories of people like Lee Baker and his wife, I mourn and am astounded that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn’t teach its members much of anything. So, along comes a knowledgable Christian or even “ex-Mormon” and they can destroy “the testimony” of your typical garden-variety Latter-Day Saint in about 10 minutes

    Brother Baker, you forget that the men that came up with these “doctrines” that you now detest and which the Church has completely disowned in its drive to now be Politically Correct were given to very, very intelligent men. Orson Pratt in his time has the Bible memorized in FOUR Languages–Hebrew, Greek, German, and English. He was the smartest man in the world in his day. James E. Talmadge was the smartest man in the world in his day or so said Albert Einstein. You don’t think we KNOW the objections that you have raised to Mormon Doctrine? You don’t think we have studied these things out? I just laugh when I hear your rendition of Mormon Scripture , leaving “stuff” out to “make your point”. Oh, I’d love to debate you and we’d tell the WHOLE story and then even you would know that Mormonism is the GREATEST Revelation or Light ever given to the World by the LORD. But you settle back to simply embrace the daughter of an Apostate Church, even the Catholic Church and think you are “following Christ” when Christ was and is a GENIUS and He has revealed some of that genius to us through the Prophet Joseph Smith, if you can see it. But you cannot see it. The Apostate Mormon Church never taught you anything much about that genius. So, you wander down the Hall, leaving one room in the SAME house, to open another door and enter another room in that SAME house. It matters now if you are in the Mormon Church or in the Christian Church. Each profess Christ, but each professes an apostate version of the Gospel He, the Christ has taught through the Ages, the most recent attempt in our own time. I feel for ya. But I think you are in the RIGHT place and delivering the RIGHT message commensurate with the light and knowledge you are willing to embrace. It matters not if you recruit 100 or 1,000 Mormons. Perhaps, you can wake up a few sleepy Mormons to actually embrace the Savior and do something righteous.

    • Lee Baker November 6, 2014 at 3:24 pm #

      My Brother Nephi,

      My wife and I now attend and study with a non-denominational Church that teaches from only the Bible. I would love to speak with you and have you represent the Mormon view at the several Conferences that we give throughout the year. Please let me know where you live and I can organize a debate just between the two of us or with your Stake President or Mission President if you with, they will not accept the offer, but I will be there if you agree. My email is leebbaker@hotmail.com

    • Dave August 30, 2015 at 3:51 pm #


      What Mr.Baker fails to speak about is an individual named Korihor. Sound familiar?

      I have never met a man such as Mr.Baker who displays such hateful and agregious behavior, yet pretends to be cognizant of Jesus Christ. I believe firmly you can get to know a person through their conduct and their message. NEVER once had he taken the time to testify and glorify the savior Jesus Christ without beating his drum and exposing his hurt egotistical feelings. Simply put…he claims to love the savior yet ALL of his time has been spent crying about his personal vendetta with the mormonism. It is obvious in the tone and spirit of his message that he is obsessed.

      When one loves the savior we do ad he comnanded, “come follow me” NOT spend your time bashing another religion.

      Mr.Baker can claim ignorance all he wants…..so did Korihor.

      Brothers and Sisters this is not about one man’s vandetta nor his false opinion. As you can see Satan is still deceiving indiduals today ad he did years ago. Please don’t be fooled by this false prophet. The Church of Jesus Christ is true. Be ye wise as a spent without sin.

      Repent Mr. & Mrs.Baker while there is yet time

  10. Bruce Clark August 6, 2014 at 6:01 pm #

    If you really want to debate Mr. Baker then email him and ask him for that very thing. I don’t know him and can’t speak for him to whether he will accept or not. You should also request a debate with Ravi Zacharias and/or Dr. James White.

    • LifeAfter August 6, 2014 at 6:14 pm #

      Amen Bruce, amen!
      Thanks for commenting!

    • Lee Baker November 6, 2014 at 3:26 pm #

      Dear Bruce, Thank you for your comments, I have made the offer to Nephi.

      Blessings, Lee

  11. Joe September 17, 2014 at 10:10 am #

    Its puzzling to me, how a former high priest and Bishop never had a testimony of the restored gospel. I recently became an active member again who for 30 years thought I knew it all and did it my way. One problem though…..When I was 19 I read the Book of Mormon and took Moroni Chapter 10 vs 3-5 to heart. I received an answer from the lord, as he promises. I could never deny the truth. Lee, you can deny the church but you cannot deny the testimony you once had. You can pretend it doesn’t exist and tuck it away somewhere, like I once did……but it will never go away.

    • Lee Baker November 6, 2014 at 3:38 pm #

      Dear Joe,

      Good point and I fully agree with you… I did have a rock solid testimony of the Book of Mormon and of Joseph Smith. As you or anyone… I could only have a testimony, feeling, commitment and dedication to what I knew. As a Catholic I did not know of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, I came to know about it, study it and I fell in love with the new knowledge. How else can it be, you and I can not have an opinion or feeling about something we have no knowledge of… right? We certainly do not know…. what we do not know. I did not know about the First Vision when I was a Catholic… and I did not know about the Churches teachings of how Joseph took the wives of other men and then did not even tell Emma, I did not know that the Church taught that they did not practice Polygamy in the D&C 101:4 from 1835 to 1876… that might be called a lie…. I did not know that as a Bishop did you? Take a look at the several articles on lds.org about these subjects and tell me how you can feel about something you did not know about… when I increased my knowledge… I changed my mind and followed the Lord not Joseph. Give it a try… review this and tell me how good you feel about the honesty of Joseph? https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng

  12. Lynn V. November 6, 2014 at 1:34 am #

    Hi Lee Baker!
    Wow! It is so good to finally hear someone take the words out of my mouth. I watched your videos on youTube, and almost cried when I heard your exit story because it is so similar to mine. To make a long story short, I was born and raised all my life as a devout Mormon and NEVER ever pictured myself leaving the “true” church. When my husband, a Christian, and I got married I thought since my religion was true, it would be a piece of cake for me to get him into my religion. Let me tell you, our first couple years of marriage was hell because we always fought about our different faiths and even got to the point to where we almost divorced. After a lot of praying, reading, studying, and fasting I started to find things in the LDS doctrine that I had never even heard before, doctrines that proved that Joseph Smith could not be a TRUE prophet of God, and it just broke my heart. I started realizing that my church was not true after all and I felt betrayed. When I brought it up to family and other members of the church, they always brushed me off or told me that I was losing faith. I decided to leave and after years of Bible study I got baptized into a Christian church and it has ruined my relationships with my family and even my best friends. It feels so good to know that I am not alone. Is there anyway I can email you? Thank you so much for your ministry. God bless!

  13. Lee Baker November 6, 2014 at 3:41 pm #

    Dear Lynn,

    Yes, Kathy and I travel all over speaking to Christians who work with the Mormon Communities, our email is: leebbaker@hotmail.com and you are not alone that is for SURE… about 1,000 leave each month and if you need more support or references or if we get near your town let us know, we have a collection of support at leebaker.4.mormon.org

    Blessings for your faith in Christ, Lee and Kathy

  14. Jay November 25, 2014 at 10:34 am #


    Curious to know how you believe in the trinity now
    Esp with references in the bible that the father,son and Holy Spirit are 3 seperate beings.


    • Bob December 28, 2014 at 10:08 am #

      Jay: For your information, Lee may not engage you in explaining what he now believes. He sent me an unsolicited article about the blacks and the priesthood which he claimed was a “draft” which he was going to publish internationally. After searching the internet, I learned who Lee was and that the “draft” had been published widely already. I sent him e-mails in response trying to engage him in explaining and defending what he now believed. He refused to engage. Instead, he claimed that he was going to report me to my local bar association (because I am an attorney) for harassing him. As you see above, he attends a non-demonitional church. Does that church teach the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ? Is he proselyting all mormons and other christians to join that church because it has the fulness of the gospel? Are he and those that he has encouraged to leave the Church united in doctrine of the Godhead, baptism, priesthood authority, preaching of the gospel to those in the spirit world, baptism for the dead, the role of the sacrament, are families forever, continuing revelation, lay or paid ministry, apostles and prophets, etc. etc. Sadly, the join the fractured Christian world that understands some of the truths of Christ.

  15. Jim May 29, 2015 at 2:28 am #

    Lol check out fairmormon.org or visit some missionaries if you have doubts or questions about some church. Asking this Lee guy is like interviewing Judas about Jesus. It’s saddening to see people of such little faith..

    • Dallas June 10, 2015 at 4:08 am #

      Jim, you are right on the Money!
      Lee and Kathy are incredibly ignorant!

      Lee and Kathy…
      Question for you:
      Do you know the 3 Rules of Religious Discussion?
      ( Hint: Look up: Krister Stendahl )

      another thing,.. being a bishop and a member for 32 years means you know squat!!
      who cares if you were a bishop! and who cares if you were a bishop!
      that give you Zero Ground of what you are doing!

  16. Allen Richardson July 20, 2015 at 9:56 pm #

    Hi Lee,
    Since you called off any further private emailing, I will post this on the internet.
    To help you improve your image, I will give you a few suggestions. It will help you polish up your radio program and so that your listeners will take you more seriously. If you decide to talk about any of these same issues on your program again, you will be better prepared to come across as more informed.
    I only heard part of your program on Saturday, July 18th, so these will not be in order, nor is it a complete coverage.
    GOOF 1: The Melchizedek Priesthood was held only by Jesus and Melchizedek (BTW, Lee, most Christians claim Melchizedek was the pre-mortal Christ).
    Lee, the book of Hebrews speaks of the “order of Melchizedek.” It says the M.P was an “order,” from the Greek word, taxis, which means “a succession,” one after another. Not just 1 person.
    The word Melchizedek means “King of Righteousness.” It is a royal title that has godly connotations. When Peter said “ye are a royal priesthood” (1 Peter 2:9), he was speaking of early Christians who were in the succession of Melchizedek.
    GOOF 2: Only priests of the tribe of Levi performed ordinances in the temple.
    Lee, that was during the Mosaic dispensation. The Bible says that in the last days the Lord will no longer require priests to be of the tribe of Levi, but that He will even accept gentiles as priests (Isaiah 66:19-21)!
    GOOF 3: In the Bible times, only the priest entered the temple.
    That was during the Mosaic dispensation. The book of Revelation says that in the future (our day) “a great multitude” (Rev.7:9) will serve God in the temple.
    GOOF 4: In the Bible, the clothing of the priest of the temple had colors and gems.
    That was during the Mosaic dispensation. The book of Revelation says that in the future, the multitudes would be “clothed in white robes” (Rev.7:9).
    GOOF 5: I thought I heard you say that the Mosaic priest entered the temple only once a year.
    That was during the Mosaic dispensation. The book of Revelation says that in the future, multitudes will serve God “day and night in his temple” (Rev.7:15).
    GOOF 6: The LDS temple ordinances have nothing to do with the Biblical temple sacrifices.
    There are many Bible verses, Lee, which parallel LDS temple ordinances. For starters, read Isaiah chapter 21:20-25. It tells about being clothed with special robes, that the “girdle,” or sash, was a symbol of strength, that certain governing powers were committed into one’s hand, and that the “key of the house of David” (the sealing power) will be laid upon one’s shoulder (from the loops on the robes). Bible scholars say that the “nail in a sure place” spoken of in verses 23 and 25 are references to Jesus Christ, who would be nailed to the cross. Another verse you might check is in Ezra 9:8, which invites the people, not just the priest, to receive a “nail” in the “holy place” (another word for the temple).
    GOOF 7: The LDS temple ceremony doesn’t speak of our Savior Jesus Christ.
    Maybe I misunderstood or missed something. Maybe you’ve forgotten. Maybe a spirit of contention has cast a shadow over your mind. Besides speaking of Christ’s role as Jehovah many times, and besides the reference to the Savior as the saving “nail,” as you remember, the name of one of the tokens has reference to the Son of God.
    GOOF 8: 34 women were married to Joseph Smith.
    Why didn’t you clarify that many of the women who were sealed to Joseph Smith were sealed as daughters, not wives? Similarly, many men were sealed to Joseph and Brigham as sons (See Bennett, “Line upon Line,” 62–67; Gordon Irving, “The Law of Adoption: One Phase of Development of the Mormon Concept of Salvation, 1830–1900,” BYU Studies 14, no. 3 [Spring 1974]: 291–314.).
    And of the women who were sealed as wives, why didn’t you tell how many were merely “dynastic” marriages?
    And what about post-mortem sealings of living women to the deceased Joseph Smith?
    Why didn’t you admit that the women were not sealed for time, but for eternity?
    Why didn’t you admit that geneticists have not found any of Joseph Smith’s DNA outside of Emma’s children?
    As you bring up polyandry, you are being critical of the Bible and its heroes. For example, David, whom Peter described as a prophet and a patriarch (Acts 2:29-30) took Phaltiel’s wife to be his own wife (2 Sam.3:13-15), leaving Phaltiel weeping (verse 16). If you can accept the Biblical prophets, you can accept the LDS prophets.
    GOOF 9: Joseph Smith was evil and did wicked things.
    Again, Lee, you are criticizing your own Bible. Here’s more on the prophet/patriarch David. If you can believe and trust the Bible, you can much more easily return to Mormonism.
    For example, David, who was described as a prophet on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:29-30), and which the Bible states that “David did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord, and turned not aside from anything that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite” (1 Kings 15:5), committed many acts which were unbecoming of a prophet:
    He “shamelessly uncovered himself “ in front of his handmaids (2 Sam.6:20).
    He used “blackmail” in threatening to kill Nabal’s household if they did not give up their wealth (1 Sam.25:7-8).
    He was cruel to animals in mutilating hundreds of horses by houghing them (cutting their hamstrings) (2 Sam.8:4).
    He mutilated 200 of his enemies by cutting off their penises to use them to bribe King Saul to give his daughter to David (1 Sam.18:27).
    He had a harem of hundreds of wives and concubines (2 Sam.5:13).
    He imprisoned 10 of his concubines for life (2 Sam.20:3).
    He peeked and watched a woman bathing (2 Sam.11:2).
    He performed human sacrifice to appease the Lord (2 Sam.21:1-14).
    He committed adultery with Bathsheba (2 Sam11:4).
    He had Uriah killed to cover the adultery (2 Sam.11:15)
    He killed one who, in David’s defense, had taken the life of an enemy who had been trying to assassinate David (2 Sam.4:8-10).
    He tortured the citizens of the cities he conquered with axes and saws and made them pass through kilns (2 Sam.12:31; 1 Chron.20:3).
    He massacred whole nations, including women, and took their possessions (1 Sam.27:8-9).
    He lined up a group disarmed prisoners, made them lie down on the ground, and killed half of them (2 Sam.8:2).
    He died demanding the blood of 2 men (1 Kings 2:5-9).

  17. Katy Roberts July 28, 2015 at 4:07 pm #

    Brother Baker,
    My family knew your famiky many years ago in Germany. I was “best friends” with your daughter Sara. You were a great strength and support to my family and instrumental in building our faith in the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints. It has been a blessing to us for many years. I have often wondered what became of you and your family after we left Germany and it wasn’t until my older sister and her family had the great pleasure of touring the beautiful Indianapolis LDS Temple that I got my answer. It saddens me that something that brings me such comfort and strength has become your target, but I wanted to thank you for the love and support you gave the young Roberts family so many years ago. Because of that and you, many generations of strong LDS church members will endure. I’m very sorry for your loss.

  18. RSK October 19, 2015 at 5:49 am #

    Lee would you like to clarify this article regarding recent legal charges?


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